Dead again.

JaimeC

New member
That's disappointing! Did they say why they were denying the claim?

The age of the bike. In a few days it'll be five years old (even though it only has 33,000 miles on it, it is still two years beyond the end of the warranty).

Technically, I'll still be a "BMW Customer" as I have no reasons whatsoever to get rid of my 19 year old K1200LT and it will still need parts and service. But as for EVER buying another new BMW vehicle? As a famous Scotsman once said: "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice; shame on ME."
 

Skutorr

Active member
Just heard back from BMW NA. They aren't going to do SHIT for me. As soon as I am able, I am heading up to Max's with the title in my hand and wash my hands of that worthless piece of shit. I am SO sorry I wasted so much time and money on that ****ing thing. Then, I'm going to look into the Yamaha XMAX (unless, of course, Yamaha decides to bring back the TMAX for 2019).

Here is a new 2015 for $7,699 with full warranty less then (!) 600 miles from you. A nice jaunt. You can GRIND them down on price or have them eat shipping to you. probably get it for $7,500 on your doorstep.:cool:
https://www.cycletrader.com/listing/2015-Yamaha-TMAX-122038610

A new Xmax is $5,595..
https://yamaha.nyhondayamaha.com/Sc...City-NY-68949c60-1c6a-48c8-b8bf-a7fe000dcd5dG

Spend the extra $2,000 on the Tmax. That's $3,000 LESS than the original list price!
 

JaimeC

New member
Thanks, Skutorr. You'll note the less expensve XMAX comes with ABS and Traction control, as well as more underseat storage. The fuel efficiency combined with the fuel capacity also gives it more range. That is a lot of "practical" reasons for me to want to consider the XMAX over the bigger/faster/more expensive TMAX. Or... I can wait awhile and see if the revised TMAX makes it over here next year.

Sadly, on my way home from dinner last week an idiot more intent on locating an empty gas pump at a local gas station than noticing I was in his way on my Zero plowed right into me, breaking my left leg. My riding season is essentially done so I have some time to consider my options...
 

Thom Davis

Member
Jaime, I can completely understand your frustration. You ALMOST convinced me to sell my 2013 C600, but no other bike out there is as pretty nor as prestigious. While I am frustrated with the cost of parts or service at BMW, living in SF Bay area I expect everything I buy would end up costing about the same. Remember that while the C series is made by Kymco in Taiwan, the design is BMW and assembly is in Germany (part of the reason the bikes cost so much). Considering I put 6000 miles in 4 years, I think I'll keep it.
 

TwoPort

Member
Considering I put 6000 miles in 4 years, I think I'll keep it.

I am on the doubting side of thinking the mileage resulted in the catastrophic problem in the sense that at 35K miles it should have a plausible expectation of failure. That would be a devastating indictment of this model. Elsewhere on the website knowledgeable folks have estimated this motor should be good for a couple hundred thousand miles and more. Given the original cam chain recall it sounds more like a defect issue. It may be a small risk - but it is now a known and expected defect that totals the bike. And to make matters worse, how could you anticipate or take preemptive action to mitigate the risk? None I can think of especially after having the recall replacement done. That seems to be the worst part of all this: After a factory recall and correction, the same part failed on a bike with relatively few miles. Like I wrote earlier, I have an extended warranty and there is no way I'd risk keeping it without one. But then again, I'm a cautious fellow.
 
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Chiro

Member
Jaime, I can completely understand your frustration. You ALMOST convinced me to sell my 2013 C600, but no other bike out there is as pretty nor as prestigious. While I am frustrated with the cost of parts or service at BMW, living in SF Bay area I expect everything I buy would end up costing about the same. Remember that while the C series is made by Kymco in Taiwan, the design is BMW and assembly is in Germany (part of the reason the bikes cost so much). Considering I put 6000 miles in 4 years, I think I'll keep it.

there is not way I will stop loving my 2017 GT. I love her!
 

BMWBUD

New member
Thanks, Skutorr. You'll note the less expensve XMAX comes with ABS and Traction control, as well as more underseat storage. The fuel efficiency combined with the fuel capacity also gives it more range. That is a lot of "practical" reasons for me to want to consider the XMAX over the bigger/faster/more expensive TMAX. Or... I can wait awhile and see if the revised TMAX makes it over here next year.

Sadly, on my way home from dinner last week an idiot more intent on locating an empty gas pump at a local gas station than noticing I was in his way on my Zero plowed right into me, breaking my left leg. My riding season is essentially done so I have some time to consider my options...

Sorry to hear you were hit. Bummer in many ways, including losing the rest of your riding season.
 

SteveADV

Active member
Yeah man, that's pretty lousy luck. I had a minor accident at the end of 2015 (no other vehicles involved) that necessitated a couple knee operations and put my hip replacement off for a year. One of my bikes has a sidecar so I could sneak out on that thing without getting into too much trouble. But old bones sure don't heal like young ones. Hang in there, Jaime.
 

windplr

New member
I am on the doubting side of thinking the mileage resulted in the catastrophic problem in the sense that at 35K miles it should have a plausible expectation of failure. That would be a devastating indictment of this model. Elsewhere on the website knowledgeable folks have estimated this motor should be good for a couple hundred thousand miles and more. Given the original cam chain recall it sounds more like a defect issue. It may be a small risk - but it is now a known and expected defect that totals the bike. And to make matters worse, how could you anticipate or take preemptive action to mitigate the risk? None I can think of especially after having the recall replacement done. That seems to be the worst part of all this: After a factory recall and correction, the same part failed on a bike with relatively few miles. Like I wrote earlier, I have an extended warranty and there is no way I'd risk keeping it without one. But then again, I'm a cautious fellow.

My warranty is up in September. Now I'm getting worried, but I have to say I've had zero issues with the scooter since new in 2015, approaching 8K miles.
 

JaimeC

New member
It's been a hell of a year. I started the year with three motorcycles and a car. As of this moment, the ONLY vehicle I have that I started the year with is the oldest one: The K1200LT.

My 2001 Subaru was giving distinctive signals it was about to give up the ghost, so I traded that one in for a new 2018 model (and DAMN but the technology has changed! These new cars have systems I never even DREAMED about when I bought my last one 17 years ago).

We already know what happened to my C650GT. And the insurance company has determined my Zero is a total loss. I really want to skip the rest of 2018 and move right on to 2019.
 
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