Type 2 Quick charger, single phase 30A.

Tux

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I'll be getting my CE 04 in a few weeks (much excitement), BMW Australia has been giving me conflicting information on the specs of the quick charger option.

I have been told that I need 3 phase in order to get the 6.9kw quick charger capacity (I'm assuming 3x10A?).
I have also been told that it will take a 30A single phase charge.

Can the CE 04 with a Type 2 plug (Australian models are using the type 2) , take 30A on a single phase or can it only quick charge on 3 phase?

Has anyone had experience getting 30a from a single phase with the Type 2 plug (Mennekes)?

This might make or break for me as all the quick chargers around me are single phase 7.4 kw.
 

Bob66

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As long as the charge points can deliver current to the specification, single-phase charging from a 7KW charger should deliver 30A. I'm in the UK and I have been using 7KW single-phase public charging points with a Type 2 Mennekes connector since March 2022 and can almost always get a 30A charge. For compactness, I use a third-party 3-metre-long 32A single phase cable which works fine. It has the added benefit over the BMW cable of being bright green for increased visibility.
 
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Tux

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As long as the charge points can deliver current to the specification, single-phase charging from a 7KW charger should deliver 30A. I'm in the UK and I have been using 7KW single-phase public charging points with a Type 2 Mennekes connector since March 2022 and can almost always get a 30A charge. For compactness, I use a third-party 3-metre-long 32A single phase cable which works fine. It has the added benefit over the BMW cable of being bright green for increased visibility.
Fantastic! Thank you for confirming that it can charge 30a single phase. You know more than the entirety of bmw oz it seems.
Out of curiosity which cable did you get? Short green sounds like a great idea.
 

triangletom

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I don't know about the plugs sold in AU, but I can confirm that the CE 04 charges plenty fast on single-phase 240V at 30A: most houses in the United States only have single-phase 240V.

Just so you are aware, there is nothing magical about the BMW charger cable - you can use whatever J1772 cable you like. I happen to use a Tesla cord because BMW sells the CE 04 with a shitty 120V cable in the United States, rather than their Flexible Fast Charger (120V/240V).
 

Tux

Member
That’s why I was so confused when I got this response from BMW Australia to a email I sent.


Does the quick charge option allow the CE-04 to charge at its maximum speed (6.9kw) with a power supply of 1-phase (maximum 32 amps, 7.4 kW)?

No, the 6.9kW charging will require 3-phase power, this can either come from the installation of our BMW Wallbox (please speak with your local dealer more about this) or from public stations with 3-phase capability.
If you are charging your scooter at home with the included wall charger, i.e plugging into an AC socket at home – your max charge rate still remains at 1.9kW (although you have quick charger installed).

Can’t wrap my head around why the specs would be different between the type 1 (J1772) and the type 2 (used in Europe, UK, and Australia) standard.

BMW may have used a smaller gauge of wire on the L1 on the type2 CE-04 (between the connector and rectifier, scooter side) compared to the L1 on the J1772, because the type 2 is capable of three-phase where as the J1772 can only do single phase?

But as Bob66 stated he can get 30a on the L1 of the type 2 connector, so good guys Germany I suppose. It’s a shame the information haven’t filtered through to BMW Australia yet.
 

Bob66

Member
Fantastic! Thank you for confirming that it can charge 30a single phase. You know more than the entirety of bmw oz it seems.
Out of curiosity which cable did you get? Short green sounds like a great idea.
Here's the (Duosida) cable that I bought: type2-to-type2-ev-charger-cable-32a. The UK-based company I got it from even give you a bag for it although to save space I just coil the cable up on its own and leave it in the CE 04 luggage compartment.
 
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GreggWilliams

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I don't know about the plugs sold in AU, but I can confirm that the CE 04 charges plenty fast on single-phase 240V at 30A: most houses in the United States only have single-phase 240V.

Just so you are aware, there is nothing magical about the BMW charger cable - you can use whatever J1772 cable you like. I happen to use a Tesla cord because BMW sells the CE 04 with a shitty 120V cable in the United States, rather than their Flexible Fast Charger (120V/240V).
Than you, when needing a fast charge at home, I slip on my J1772 adapter on my Tesla charger. Is there something else I should purchase when I’m on the road??

. I just read that Tesla is opening up there charging network to all customers with EV.
 

MKUNES

New member
I got my CE-04 yesterday. When I got home from the dealer (a 40 mile ride) it said 24 miles remaining. I shoved in my Zappi Charger (bought for my Kia e-Niro), changed the maximum current in the scooter settings to 30 amp and it took just over an hour to get to 100%.. I am in the UK with single phase 230 V.
 

Fullum

Member
Hello everyone I have a question about recharging I've just got my CE04, I live in Montreal Canada my charger that came is a 120 volts unit with standard charging not the fast one, I understand that we can charge a 6, 8 or 10 amp it work fine at home, but we have a network of station, https://lecircuitelectrique.com/en/ and there unit is charging at 7,2 kW I don't know if I can charge there as well the connector are ok for the scooter.
I know that a Zero Motorcycles is able to charge on those unit, do anybody know if I need the fast option install on my scooter to be able to use there stations.
Thank you in advance
A guy you really enjoy the new ride...
Yves
 

Tux

Member
Hello everyone I have a question about recharging I've just got my CE04, I live in Montreal Canada my charger that came is a 120 volts unit with standard charging not the fast one, I understand that we can charge a 6, 8 or 10 amp it work fine at home, but we have a network of station, https://lecircuitelectrique.com/en/ and there unit is charging at 7,2 kW I don't know if I can charge there as well the connector are ok for the scooter.
I know that a Zero Motorcycles is able to charge on those unit, do anybody know if I need the fast option install on my scooter to be able to use there stations.
Thank you in advance
A guy you really enjoy the new ride...
Yves
Hey Yves.

As long as the charger has a J1772 plug (the same as the one on the scooter) it will work, however unless your CE 04 has been equipped with the quick charge option from factory, it will be limited to 10 amps.
 

Fullum

Member
Hey Yves.

As long as the charger has a J1772 plug (the same as the one on the scooter) it will work, however unless your CE 04 has been equipped with the quick charge option from factory, it will be limited to 10 amps.
Thank you very much!
 

Low On Cash

Active member
There are two different chargers - a standard 110 volt charger and an optional 220 volt charger $995. If your bike came with the smaller charge system you cannot upgrade because the bigger charger module is integrated in the bike. The larger charger allows you to have a level 1 or level 2 system at home. The large charger also has a much larger cord to handle the added amperage. Another feature is by simply changing the chargers input pig-tail cable, you can increase your wall to a level 2 / 220 volt charger / wall unit.

When you travel and take the charger with you, you can plug it into a home clothes dryer plug and fast charge your bike at your destination. The reason the high output charger cost $995 your getting a heavy duty wall unit and cord plus a larger charger module built into the bike itself. By the way the larger charger on our bikes is the identical charger supplied with my BMW I-4 EV.

Keep in mind, the charger and cable provided in the bike is not really a HV battery charger, it's only a wall unit to supply 110 or 220 AC volts. The actual HV battery charger module is built into the bike itself.

Regards - Mike
 

triangletom

Active member
@Low On Cash - interesting! I didn't realize they had two different charge systems available. In the US they at least were previously only selling the CE-04 with the quick charge option, but even then, only included the wimpy 110V charger plug.

At home I charge my CE-04 with the Tesla Mobile Connector ($200 US), which handles both 110/220V at up to 32A. For touring, I bring along a cheap ($90 US) 16A 110/220V EVSE that packs up compactly and will plug into anything.
 
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Low On Cash

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There are two different chargers a stardard 120 volt charger and an optional 110/220 volt charger $995. The beauty of the more expensive charger is by simply changing the chargers pig-tail you can change it from 110 volts to 220 volts to increase chaarge rate. .

Keep in mind the included charger or the optional one is not really a charger. They are only wall units to supply to the real charger that is built into the bike itself, which changes 110 volts AC or 220 volts AC to DC direct current for the HV battery. The reason the high output charger cost $995 is your getting a heavy duty wall unit and cord, plus a larger charger module built into the bike itself.

Regards - Mike
 

Low On Cash

Active member
Hey Guys - I must have something set wrong or it's broke! My bike has the $995 charger upgrade with the heavy cord and large charge module - it works fine on 110 but that's it.

I tried all the different setting in the charge setting menu with no luck. I get an error of incorrect charger-Architecture every time I try a level 2 wall unit. I tried the BMW I-4 and even my trusty Juicenet charger won't work.

My BMW I4 charger which looks identical to the one supplied won't even work. Below I have a shot of the 220 pig tail for the charger.
Maybe they ran out of fast charger modules and substituted a 110 volt charge module. For now I'm just using my BMW I-3 110 volt wall charger which looks like the same one they provide with the standard charger.

Another confusing point of charging tthe 04 is the fact US 110 volt chargers (small charger) can only charge up to 10 amps. While you'll see a lot of guys using the small charger with15 amps its because UK standard voltage is 240 volts and twice the voltage of US.

Mike
 

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triangletom

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@Low On Cash - have you tried charging at a public J1772 charger? If it won't work at 30A, talk to your dealer.

I see that for the 2024 model year, BMW makes the Quick Charger a $995 option within the USA - I believe it was standard for 2022 MY USA bikes, which did not allow for much customization.
 

Low On Cash

Active member
Thanks for the reply- I Have not tried a public charger however my Juicebox has charged just about every EV built so I feel Something is broke. I even tried using the supplied charger with the level 2 pigtail plugged into 220 volts and get the same error yet it charges my EV6 and I4 fine.

Mike
 

triangletom

Active member
@Low On Cash - The only reason I ask is the dealer is less likely to take your word about your home charging setup than an official Chargepoint charger, for example. Like yourself, I do wonder if you somehow ended up with the incorrect charge module installed within the scooter.

I'd just explain to your dealer your symptoms and see what they have to say.

I tried looking at the parts fiche to see if it was easy to tell the difference between the quick charge and without it, but I was unable to find photos that showed the difference between the two: https://www.ascycles.com/bmw/2022/C...stem/Integrated charge module.html#PartsTable

According to that fiche:

* QUICK CHARGER (CODE: X4U2A) has 61 44 7 915 283
* Without QUICK CHARGER (CODE: X4U2A) has 61 44 7 915 282
 

Low On Cash

Active member
Thanks for all the replies - Guess What - Just for the hell of it I plugged my JuiceNet level 2 in like I did maybe a dozen times before and like magic it starts charging saving me a truck and trailer hospital visit 138 miles away.

By the way Tom many thanks for the parts page link (charger) super handy to see brake-down parts of the 04. Are there any other exploded views or any techanical links you can share as well?

Thanks Mike
 

triangletom

Active member
Glad you got that working! If it's any consolation, when I use the CE-04 with the Tesla charger at home, I have to leave the adapter connected for 15 seconds before plugging it or its gets rejected. Given that the adapter is strictly a physical one, this doesn't make any sense to me, but there we are.

There haven't been a lot of technical publications about the CE-04, but I do make use of the parts fiche published by A&S Cycles whenever I break things.

If you are interested in doing your own maintenance,
is a good watch.
 
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