Type 2 Quick charger, single phase 30A.

[Tux]

Any word if BMW North Americria will be changing the CE 04 and their cars to the new NACS socket?

 

[Low On Cash]

Thanks great video -especially to see how easy a belt replacement is. He spent a lot time on brake pads, but it's doubtful if you'll ever have to change the original pads since there's enough regen to make full normal stops without using the service brake.

Anyhow good Stuff! Many Thanks

Mike

 

[Low On Cash]

Any word if BMW North Americria will be changing the CE 04 and their cars to the new NACS socket?

Makes little sense why they would change the J1772 to NACS. Tesla is only one EV manufacture of dozens of others why not Tesla change their cars and charger network. anyhow it looks NACA will win out since GM and Ford said they are dumping J connectors. This will make every level 1 & 2 home charger need a goofy adapter which we'll have to cram in our little compartment. Even with using a Tesla adapter now there is a lot of communication problems with most cars.

It's just another case of US car manufacturers caving to Tesla so they can falsely tell their customers they have a BS charging network too when Tesla's network is already over capacity.

Another problem is unlike today where there is competition between plug in vendors, if Tesla owns the entire network they are free to charge anything they like for power.

Mike

 

[ghostrider4]

My thanks again to Triangletom for his detailed post in a different thread on his CE04, his trips and detailed info about our CE04 scooters. I copied it and reference it from time to time. And thanks to others that post to the CE04 section, much appreciated all.
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I am at a lost as to what I am supposed to ask my dealer to determine my scooter came equipped with the quick charge option from the factory. I have this read thread now and again but still lost on context.

Background -
1. If I go to charge settings in the TFT menu I can only select 6A or 8A, 10A nor 30A
2. I use a Level 2 charger with output of 240 vac and 32 amps and change my settings in the charge menu to 8A when I charge there.
3. Post #8 says they (ie the scooter owner) '...changed the maximum current in the scooter settings to 30 amp...'. I do not see nor can select 30A, only 6A or 8A is shown in the TFT menu charge setting when at a Level 2 charger station.
4. Post #11 says '...unless your CE 04 has been equipped with the quick charge option from factory, it will be limited to 10 amp...".
Are CE04s all able to charge at 10A and if so why is that not a TFT menu settings option to select instead of just 6A or 8A when at a Level 2 station?
Plus how would one know if it was charging at 10A? When charging my TFT charging screen says MAX 30A then under it it shows 8A.
5. In Post #12 it says '...There are two different chargers - a standard 110 volt charger and an optional 220 volt charger $995. If your bike came with the smaller charge system you cannot upgrade because the bigger charger module is integrated in the bike...."
My bike came with the standard USA 110v (thin charging cable) so would that mean the bike does not have the quick charge option part built into my scooter?

Best I can figure from reading all these post is the following -
* (Post #12) The $995 bmw thick cable won't do anything for someone if their scooter did not come with the quick charge option from the factory. Does that statement mean if the thick cable came with the bike the bike can use it, meaning the bike was built to accept that higher charge or is it saying the thicker cable wont' work if the bike itself did not come with a quick charge option built 'into' the bike itself (ie part of the bikes battery charging unit)?
As an aside, I had asked the dealer I purchased it from about the $995 cable though honestly I don't believe the honestly know if my scooter has the quick charge option built into my scooter. Sad that BMW Dealers don't know what they sell.

Heck, was at the dealer the other day and the sales guy was asking another person about not getting the $995 cable to make the cost of the scooter less expensive (at least that is what I understood the question to be). Maybe, when ordering one can option the CE04 with the higher charging modular plus then pay $995 for the thicker cable.

Good enough if only 8A for my needs -
For my needs, I can live with just the Level 2 charging station even if my CE04 only does 8A. If it only takes 45 minutes to go from 20 to 80% that is good enough for my needs for local riding. That last 80 to 100% likewise takes that same amount of time thus it seems better for me to get down to 20% then charge to just 80% and stop unless I need those extra miles. Plus my bank charger ask we only use it for 45 minutes though have never seen anyone else use it. Thus at night could just leave it there for longer if wanted. Which might be 1.5 hrs from 20 to 100% it would seem. Though could leave a note if needed as I am only two minutes away by car. It is 7 minutes away if walking so the exercise helps plus free at my bank. Not that such probably amounts to much $ at all it would seem when charging a scooter (have yet to do the math honestly).
thank you

 

[Fullum]

Hello I don't know if it can help but here what I know.
My scooter does not have de quick charger option but I can charge up to 10 Amp anywhere on regular Station not the DC or Tesla rapid chager at home when I charge on 110V it's whatever the amp on my circuit so probably 6 amp slow charge.
My question is I don't know if they sell the European version of the scooter in the States in France for exemple you can have the A1 permit or A2 the A1 allow to drive motorbike or scooter but not at there full power so the CE04 can have a lower output so less Horse power if you have a A2 permit them it's 42 HP full.
My question to you is maybe you CE04 is not full power and this is why you are limited to 8Amp recharge. I don't know you must ask the dealer who sold it to you.
And yes if you want the quick charge it must be install within the scooter the fast charging cable won't change work on your.
Of what I understand as well that to keep the battery in good shape it need to cool off before charging and that the slow charge make it less over heat so it prolong the life of the battery.
Yves

 

[MKUNES]

I am at a lost as to what I am supposed to ask my dealer to determine my scooter came equipped with the quick charge option from the factory. I have this read now and again but still lost on context.
1. If I go to charge settings in the TFT menu I can only select 6A or 8A, not 30A
2. I use a Level 2 charger 240 vac and 32 amps and change my settings in the charge menu to 8A
3. Post #8 says they (ie the scooter owner) '...changed the maximum current in the scooter settings to 30 amp...'. I do not see nor can select 30A, only 6A or 8A is shown in the TFT menu charge setting when at a Level 2 charger station.
4. Post #11 says '...unless your CE 04 has been equipped with the quick charge option from factory, it will be limited to 10 amp...".
Are CE04s all able to charge at 10A and if so why is not not a TFT menu settings option to select instead of just 6A or 8A?
Plus how would one know if it was charging at 10A? When charging my TFT charging screen says MAX 30A then under it it shows 8A.
5. In Post #12 it says '...There are two different chargers - a standard 110 volt charger and an optional 220 volt charger $995. If your bike came with the smaller charge system you cannot upgrade because the bigger charger module is integrated in the bike...."
My bike came with the standard USA 110v (thin charging cable) so would that mean the bike does not have the quick charge option part built into my scooter?

Best I can figure from reading all these post is the following:
* (Post #12) The $995 bmw thick cable won't do anything for someone if their scooter did not come with the quick charge option from the factory. Does that statement mean if the thick cable came with the bike the bike can use it, meaning the bike was built to accept that higher charge or is it saying the thicker cable wont' work if the bike itself did not come with a quick charge option built 'into' the bike itself (ie part of the bikes battery charging unit)?

Heck, was at the dealer the other day and the sales guy was asking another person about not getting the $995 cable to make the cost of the scooter less expensive (at least that is what I understood the question to be). Maybe, when ordering one can option the CE04 with the higher charging modular plus then pay $995 for the thicker cable.
thank you

I am not certain about this, but I think that if you can't see the option for 30A charging it means your bike is not fitted with the high power charger. You have to choose the high charging option when the scooter is first bought - I don't think it can be fitted afterwards. I'm not sure the size of the cable is relevent to this. I use my Zappi car charger to charge my bike after selecting the 30A option. The standard "Granny Charger" that comes with the scooter charges at up to 10A I think - I only used it once just to try it out. The battery is 10 kWh so at 250 V and 10A you are shoving in 2.5 kW. This will take about 4 hours from empty to full. The dealer should be able to confirm wether you have the high power option or not.

 

[ghostrider4]

Thank you Mkunes. Seems then I did not get the high charge option with my bike. I got a left over 2021 Avantgrade model and it has heated seats and grips so that is good enough and will live with the 8A charge rate. If mine does 10A bmw elected not to display that in the charge menu when bike is charging at a USA Level 2 station. Do love my color and think paid $11,800 there abouts so happy with the deal I got. Pissed the dealer screwed up and gave me the wrong plastic key, which I since had keyed to the bmw trunk but won't get into that story and bore everyone lol.

 

[ghostrider4]

I am not certain about this, but I think that if you can't see the option for 30A charging it means your bike is not fitted with the high power charger. You have to choose the high charging option when the scooter is first bought - I don't think it can be fitted afterwards. I'm not sure the size of the cable is relevent to this. I use my Zappi car charger to charge my bike after selecting the 30A option. The standard "Granny Charger" that comes with the scooter charges at up to 10A I think - I only used it once just to try it out. The battery is 10 kWh so at 250 V and 10A you are shoving in 2.5 kW. This will take about 4 hours from empty to full. The dealer should be able to confirm wether you have the high power option or not.

Thinking the

Hello I don't know if it can help but here what I know.
My scooter does not have de quick charger option but I can charge up to 10 Amp anywhere on regular Station not the DC or Tesla rapid chager at home when I charge on 110V it's whatever the amp on my circuit so probably 6 amp slow charge.
My question is I don't know if they sell the European version of the scooter in the States in France for exemple you can have the A1 permit or A2 the A1 allow to drive motorbike or scooter but not at there full power so the CE04 can have a lower output so less Horse power if you have a A2 permit them it's 42 HP full.
My question to you is maybe you CE04 is not full power and this is why you are limited to 8Amp recharge. I don't know you must ask the dealer who sold it to you.
And yes if you want the quick charge it must be install within the scooter the fast charging cable won't change work on your.
Of what I understand as well that to keep the battery in good shape it need to cool off before charging and that the slow charge make it less over heat so it prolong the life of the battery.
Yves

Thank you for the input. My understanding, could be mistaken, is in the USA we do not have A1 and A2 permits thus thinking all CE04s sold in USA come with full hp. Nor am I thinking a ce04 limited to A1 vs A2 would effect charging rate; instead that is determined by if scooter came equipped with the quick charge option from the factory.

Just spoke to my dealer and they are saying my came with the quick charge option from the factory and are sending me a sheet denoting that fact. Guess that is a good thing though as your post indicates maybe slow charging is better then fast charging.

Strange, save for a dealer sending you a 'build' sheet (for lack of a better word) else one budling it on the bwmmotorrad site and selecting a 'quick charge' option feature (f that is/was an option) one might not know what they purchased. Will share what the sheet they send me says for fyi for all.

Would doubt one would have to use the $995 bmw charging cable in order to do 30A charging but maybe so. I did order the new Tesla dual cable (tesla plug along with a J1772 adapter plug) for $595 from Bestbuy and it comes with a 4 year warranty even though I don't have a Tesla. I would have to pay to have an electrician install it and though it can charge to 48A you can select lower charge settings in the Tesla app (15, 20, 30 40 for example).

I don't have a need to charge at 30A though if what was told to me today is correct then nice to know I could do that. I am simply at a lost as to way the bmw TFT screen would tell me it is charging at 8A when at a Level 2 station and not saying for example 10A if that is the max charge rate a standard CE04 can charge at. Don't know, maybe one needs the bmw $995 cable to do that high speed charge rate else maybe the Tesla dual cable will work.

 

[ghostrider4]

So two updates. This page speaks to quick charger option somewhat.

https://www.bmw-motorrad-abudhabi.com/en/models/urban_mobility/ce04/range-and-charging.html#/section-charging-columns-and-charge-status

Also, dealer sent me a sheet showing my CE04 has Option 04U2 Quick Charger. So, based on url above and attached image this is what I think I now know.
*we all get the standard house hold current charging cable by default
*we can purchase the bmw wallbox, which can charge faster (6.9kw) IF one ordered or your CE04 came with the Quick Charger option built into the ce04. I do not know what 6.9kw vs 30A means so will google that.
*If your ce04 has the Quick Charger option you can get the available Mode 3 charging cable to charge at the lower 2.3kw rate. Though again, I don't know this stuff, so don't know how that compares to charging a 6A or 8A. Nor do I know how one uses the Mode 3 cable, unless it is a it has a male J1772 on one end to plug into the bike and a female J1772 on the other end which plugs into the Level 2 station charging cable. Then, if your ce04 has the quick charge option the Mode 3 cable will let it charge at 6.9kW (cuts charge time down to 65 minutes).

Hoping most/all of above is 'on point'.

 

[bogman]

I'll be getting my CE 04 in a few weeks (much excitement), BMW Australia has been giving me conflicting information on the specs of the quick charger option.

I have been told that I need 3 phase in order to get the 6.9kw quick charger capacity (I'm assuming 3x10A?).
I have also been told that it will take a 30A single phase charge.

Can the CE 04 with a Type 2 plug (Australian models are using the type 2) , take 30A on a single phase or can it only quick charge on 3 phase?

Has anyone had experience getting 30a from a single phase with the Type 2 plug (Mennekes)?

This might make or break for me as all the quick chargers around me are single phase 7.4 kw.

I can confirm in Australia, in my single phase house, a 7.4KW Wallbox, can fast charge the fast charge model of ce04. BUT you have to go into the scooter settings and turn up the amps to 30. Took me a minute to figure that out! *I am not an electrician so please dont blame me if it doesn't work for you. I have this one: Wallbox Pulsar Max Electric Vehicle Charger (7.4kW, Type 2, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, OCPP, Indoor/Outdoor

 

[bazt]

I don't know about the plugs sold in AU, but I can confirm that the CE 04 charges plenty fast on single-phase 240V at 30A: most houses in the United States only have single-phase 240V.

Just so you are aware, there is nothing magical about the BMW charger cable - you can use whatever J1772 cable you like. I happen to use a Tesla cord because BMW sells the CE 04 with a shitty 120V cable in the United States, rather than their Flexible Fast Charger (120V/240V).

Just Google "J1772 cable" Plenty available.