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Is the 2024 luggage Rack the same as the 2025 shown below? I think they are not based on what I have seen online. Thank You.
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2025 luggage Rack.
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That looks the same to me.
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This is what I found on BMW Europe for the 2024. 
I notice subtle differences. I am trying to have options instead of BMW's 1K trunk. Aftermarket one's will say they fit the BMW Luggage grid but I could see BMW changing that with the 2025.
I notice subtle differences. I am trying to have options instead of BMW's 1K trunk. Aftermarket one's will say they fit the BMW Luggage grid but I could see BMW changing that with the 2025.
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To me the only real difference with the black, is that it *may* have an adapter plate fitted on it.
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Interesting. Thanks.
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1) It looks to me as if the '25 luggage rack is different from the earlier models, per BMW. This is a screen grab (with my underlining) from https://www.bmwmotorcycles.com/en/models/urban_mobility/c400gt/accessories.html#/section-the-tourer :
2) As I noted the other day -- https://www.bmw-scooters.com/threads/2025-models-in-the-usa-and-maybe-a-slight-rant.3340/post-28515 -- and as confirmed by the "Build Your Own" choices at that BMW page above, it looks as if you can get the new luggage rack -- at least at this point -- only as part of the Premium Package.
That is, it looks as if -- right now, via the official site -- that:
A) You can get the luggage rack ONLY as part of the Premium Package, i.e., NOT by itself (so you can't really see its price).
B) You don't seem to be able to include the new (or any) top case with your build.
That goes for USD 1385, and according to what I can figure out from the Rider page and BMW's site includes heated grips, heated seat, the larger TFT display, and the luggage rack (but not the top case). If I were ordering a new C 400 GT, I'd opt for that package, just as I opted for the analogous package on my '22 and '23 scoots.
3) And if I were getting a new '25, I'd opt for the Shad 58X or 59X top cases, and use that BMW luggage rack. Here's why:
- Shad is a quality outfit, and I believe even is the supplier to BMW for some of their top cases on other bikes.
- Those Shads, in their smallest mode, are about the same size as the new, slightly larger, BMW case. However, in their medium or full mode, the Shads are much larger.
- While Shad makes a top case support -- https://www.shadusa.com/collections/fit-my-ride/products/c400gt-top-mount -- from what I can tell it is not as robust as the BMW luggage rack. I can attest that that Beemer rack (well, at least for the older models) is one tough MFer: you can lift the back of the bike up with it, if you're strong enough, and I've drilled through it (having had to resort to masonry bits).
- For the earlier models, that super-strong BMW rack is not that expensive; the big expense was -- and still is? -- with the dopey top case. If you want to see some prices of the older rack:
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As I noted in my thread https://www.bmw-scooters.com/thread...a-passenger-mounted-on-bmw-luggage-rack.3221/ , I got my Shad top case from Motostorm (from Italy). So did @HSG : see https://www.bmw-scooters.com/threads/side-cases-available.3336/ .
4) Speaking of mounting Shad cases to the (old) BMW luggage rack, as I noted in Shad thread I used HedOpp's video as a starting point:
Note that he did NOT do any drilling, and that worked out fine for him. That is, I think that that video is the way to go ... if you don't carry a passenger.
BOTTOM LINE:
- If BMW is to be believed, it looks as if the luggage rack on the '25 is a new part. How it physically differs from the older rack (well, except perhaps in color) I have no idea.
- As for the older rack, I like its beefiness, and would be inclined to use it again ...
- ... to mount a variable-size Shad ...
- ... and NOT use the less beefy and single purpose Shad top case mount (and there is a YT video or two on that, too, on a C 400 GT, which I studied when I was about to order a Shad case). The BMW rack is not that much more expensive than the Shad, and you should be able to use the BMW rack to mount a Shad (or other top cases).
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@wspollack Sorry I've been out of pocket. BMW setup the perfect storm in rebates and discounts for me and I pulled the trigger on this...
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Congrats -- looks like a lot of fun in store for you!
Going to the mount the Shad side cases to that?
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1) I don't know whether changing the rack design matters much, if at all, in terms of other vendors. For instance, both HedOpp and I just used the "Universal" mounting plate that came with the Shad top case. Did you get a chance to check out his video (see my post #6, above) or the 29 mounting-pics/captions in my gallery, starting with this particular one: https://billanddot.com/C400GT/#S-120 ?
2) I just looked at the PDF of your order, and, yep, it's what I would have done, too.
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Re posting PDF Order related to an expressed concern about posting the VIN. I am not sure but still.
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Currently Shad is not showing support for the 2025.
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Yes. It looks like the Universal mounting plate goes on top of the 2024 rack. I think it is possible they will update it to the 2025
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Yep, and they probably won't for some time.
Remember: neither HedOpp nor I tried to order a Beemer-specific anything: we just ordered the top case -- no bike specified -- and by default it comes with the Universal plate. In his case, he got longer bolts and used the supplied wings (or whatever they're called) underneath the luggage rack; in my case, I did the same thing, only a little farther back on the rack, and also drilled a couple of holes in it.
All of which is to say: if you're okay with being a little handy, a little creative here, I wouldn't worry about the particulars of the '25 rack, especially if you want a top case sooner than BMW will supply one, and much cheaper (especially using Motostorm), with much more room in its expanded position ... and nicer looking, IMO.
Follow me on all this?
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A little overlap on our posts there ...
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I did. Since it attaches to the BMW rack using the mounting plates does that make it more difficult to remove? Ideally I would like to have an adapter plate that is able to use the same quick release as the BMW Trunk. The BMW Trunk also has power and a USB C connection. I just wish it was not so stupid expensive or at least even be available for the 2025 rack. I found having quick release bags on my GTL priceless and when the GA did not have them they were missed.
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I didn't know that about the USB-C in the new top case. I suppose it could come in handy, but there's also one (or maybe still a USB-A in the cubby, which might be sufficient for your needs; they put a rubber mat in that right cubby, to sort of protect a phone being charged in there. Of course, that wasn't sufficient for my needs, as I installed an external USB-A on both my '22 and '23 C 400 GT; I really needed something outside of the bike (and have done a similar mod on all recent bikes).
With the Shad base plate -- Universal or, I presume, any plate from Shad -- the quick release works the same as with the (older) BMW top case: put the key in, turn it all the way in some direction, press something or other, and the case slides off.
I'm a little hazy on the details obviously, because I leave my Shad (or the old 30L BMW case, before I replaced it) in place all the time. The only time I take off the top case is when my local dealer picks up the bike each November or so, to do some annual service, or put on new tires, etc.; they specify for this free service to take off side and top cases, etc. But it's the same procedure with either case.
Me, I find a top case tremendously handy, especially for various doodads, and some light layering clothes, and so forth, but most of all for my helmet at lunch stops during my typical goofing-off back-road day trips, which comprise most of my riding. And now that I'm once again (post-pandemic) doing long trips, I need all that storage: I did about a 2,000-mile roundtrip this past June. On my Meteor 350, I have only 22L Givi side cases -- no top case -- and that means that I have to bring my helmet with me inside for lunch stops.
I just converted the Shad PDF instruction pages that came with the case to jpgs, so you can sort of figure out the easy-removal routine:
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All good stuff. Good news it can use the quick release which is what I would guess SHAD will get together for the 2025. If the SHAD adapter plate uses brackets to install it onto the BMW luggage grid, does this mean when you do the quick release with either bag the Luggage grid comes off too, attached to the case and adapter? I am a little confused on this point. In the case of the 2025 the glove box has a USB-C.
I also plan to continue touring, typically up and down the California / Oregon coast on Highway 1. A scooter should offer a great experience over the much heavier K1600s. I also find a rear box valuable, although I have a helmet hook that has gone on most my bikes that connects to the handlebar and has a lock if you want to keep your helmet there for longer periods. Very useful when just getting gas. I did test ride the 2024 and felt very comfortable on the freeway.
Thank You for your posts. I am not very handy but often find away.
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So BMW where I am buying the bike said the new rack is to support the central locking. That makes their case more attractive. I have not read anything about central locking.
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1) I took the Shad 59X off the bike tonight, after refreshing my memory about the steps involved: turn the key to about 5 o'clock, pull up on the bottom of the flappy-levered piece, and then pull back and up on the case.
Then I took some pics of what's left on the bike. Rather than resize them and run into per-pic and total-pic limits here, I put a new gallery on my web site for you to look at:
'23 C 400 GT Shad 59X Top Case Removed
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Between those new pics and the ones in my main C 400 GT gallery, you ought to get a clear understanding of what's left. Start with this pic in my gallery, so you can see what's underneath that cosmetic cover, i.e., the cover that shows up in that new gallery above:
'23 BMW C 400 GT Shad 59X Top Case Removed
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2) As you can see at Shad's site, if you get Shad's mounting rack for the (older) C 400 GT -- https://www.shadusa.com/collections/fit-my-ride/products/c400gt-top-mount -- that rack cannot coexist with BMW's luggage rack.
So if you were to want to use Shad's C 400 rack, along with Shad's C 400-specific mounting plate on top of Shad's rack, you would have to ditch the BMW luggage rack (which you're paying for, as part of the Premium Package) and then buy BMW's grab rails.
That is, BMW's one-piece luggage rack incorporate's the two passenger grab rails, and then extends farther back. But Shad's purpose-built rack for the C 400 goes underneath the regular passenger grab rails, and then occupies the space out back ... the space that would be occupied by the rest of BMW's luggage rack.
Follow me on that? If not, have a look at this video, in which GaryGFS mounts a Shad on a C 400, using Shad's purpose-built rack:
That's kind of why at least HedOpp and I have not used the Shad rack. As I say, I think Shad's rack is not as beefy, plus some of us have already paid for BMW's rack. And that's why we used the Universal plate, i.e., because we had to do some DIY configuring on top of the BMW rack -- see my new mini-gallery -- and why Shad's C 400-specific plate was not appropriate.
3) I didn't know about the central locking feature, either. Of course, I'm familiar with central locking from assorted Beemers of friends, at the dealerships, at shows, etc. I'm mostly familiar with it from RT owners and demo bikes, that sort of thing.
I'm not sure how useful it is, though. I certainly don't miss it now. Note that you already will have central locking, in terms of the gas cap and cubby locks. That is, you have a minute or two, once you turn off the bike at a gas pump, to open the gas cap or the cubbies (or you then have to click the bike On, but don't have to fire up the engine -- and I think there may be another way to do this, too, involving placing the fob next to something).
When I want to lock my Shad top case, it's usually only during a lunch stop. And I'll be putting my helmet in the case, taking out my ear plugs and putting in my hearing aids, disconnecting my GoPro up front and then putting it in the case, yada yada.
In other words, I'll be messing with the top case for maybe five minutes, and so I would be past any auto-lock time limit if I had such a feature. And since I have my fob on a key ring (with my house key, the Shad key, and an Apple airtag, in case it falls out of a zipped pocket somehow), it's no big deal for me to then take that Shad key and lock the top box ... after my spending five minutes back there.
If you like the feature a lot, well, I bet you have a different routine.
Still, if you go with the new BMW case you'd be spending more money for what I consider to be an uglier case, and a case that's both larger than Shad's smallest position and smaller than Shad's largest position.
So if I were starting from scratch, I'd go with the route I went with: BMW rack, with a Shad 59 (or 58) X adjustable case.
The only reason I initially got the old 30L BMW case was because my wife liked it for back support, during our two Edelweiss tours on a C 400 X. I was reluctant to mess with success for more than a year, but when I saw that Motostorm sale on the 59X -- including Shad's well-designed backrest pads -- I decided to give it a shot. And it worked very well for my wife, once I bought another pad from Amazon, to fill in the very lowest back area for her.
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Right. I was over thinking it. Honestly I am 50-50 at this point. I do like the USB-C in the case and the central locking. I am going to compare some side by side pictures of both cases. One thing I though about this morning, is if the luggage grid that comes with the bike still requires a luggage plate?1) I took the Shad 59X off the bike tonight, after refreshing my memory about the steps involved: turn the key to about 5 o'clock, pull up on the bottom of the flappy-levered piece, and then pull back and up on the case.
Then I took some pics of what's left on the bike. Rather than resize them and run into per-pic and total-pic limits here, I put a new gallery on my web site for you to look at:
'23 C 400 GT Shad 59X Top Case Removed
billanddot.com
Between those new pics and the ones in my main C 400 GT gallery, you ought to get a clear understanding of what's left. Start with this pic in my gallery, so you can see what's underneath that cosmetic cover, i.e., the cover that shows up in that new gallery above:
'23 BMW C 400 GT Shad 59X Top Case Removed
billanddot.com
2) As you can see at Shad's site, if you get Shad's mounting rack for the (older) C 400 GT -- https://www.shadusa.com/collections/fit-my-ride/products/c400gt-top-mount -- that rack cannot coexist with BMW's luggage rack.
So if you were to want to use Shad's C 400 rack, along with Shad's C 400-specific mounting plate on top of Shad's rack, you would have to ditch the BMW luggage rack (which you're paying for, as part of the Premium Package) and then buy BMW's grab rails.
That is, BMW's one-piece luggage rack incorporate's the two passenger grab rails, and then extends farther back. But Shad's purpose-built rack for the C 400 goes underneath the regular passenger grab rails, and then occupies the space out back ... the space that would be occupied by the rest of BMW's luggage rack.
Follow me on that? If not, have a look at this video, in which GaryGFS mounts a Shad on a C 400, using Shad's purpose-built rack:
That's kind of why at least HedOpp and I have not used the Shad rack. As I say, I think Shad's rack is not as beefy, plus some of us have already paid for BMW's rack. And that's why we used the Universal plate, i.e., because we had to do some DIY configuring on top of the BMW rack -- see my new mini-gallery -- and why Shad's C 400-specific plate was not appropriate.
3) I didn't know about the central locking feature, either. Of course, I'm familiar with central locking from assorted Beemers of friends, at the dealerships, at shows, etc. I'm mostly familiar with it from RT owners and demo bikes, that sort of thing.
I'm not sure how useful it is, though. I certainly don't miss it now. Note that you already will have central locking, in terms of the gas cap and cubby locks. That is, you have a minute or two, once you turn off the bike at a gas pump, to open the gas cap or the cubbies (or you then have to click the bike On, but don't have to fire up the engine -- and I think there may be another way to do this, too, involving placing the fob next to something).
When I want to lock my Shad top case, it's usually only during a lunch stop. And I'll be putting my helmet in the case, taking out my ear plugs and putting in my hearing aids, disconnecting my GoPro up front and then putting it in the case, yada yada.
In other words, I'll be messing with the top case for maybe five minutes, and so I would be past any auto-lock time limit if I had such a feature. And since I have my fob on a key ring (with my house key, the Shad key, and an Apple airtag, in case it falls out of a zipped pocket somehow), it's no big deal for me to then take that Shad key and lock the top box ... after my spending five minutes back there.
If you like the feature a lot, well, I bet you have a different routine.
Still, if you go with the new BMW case you'd be spending more money for what I consider to be an uglier case, and a case that's both larger than Shad's smallest position and smaller than Shad's largest position.
So if I were starting from scratch, I'd go with the route I went with: BMW rack, with a Shad 59 (or 58) X adjustable case.
The only reason I initially got the old 30L BMW case was because my wife liked it for back support, during our two Edelweiss tours on a C 400 X. I was reluctant to mess with success for more than a year, but when I saw that Motostorm sale on the 59X -- including Shad's well-designed backrest pads -- I decided to give it a shot. And it worked very well for my wife, once I bought another pad from Amazon, to fill in the very lowest back area for her.