Another Record Year for BMW Motorcycles
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There certainly seems to be more and more BMW's on the road. I notice it most in the fall when the Harleys are kept in the garage because the temperature goes below 65F. Then, it seems like the BMW's come out with their giant aluminum side cases and riders looking like knights with atgatt , appearing to be leaving for Alaska or Hudson Bay. Where are they all Summer? They all can't be on the Trans Labrador Highway.
SteveADV
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Skutorr
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4,500 sold for BOTH C-series scoots combined, worldwide? In the 4th year of production? Compared to their maxi-scooter competition, those numbers aren't even in the race. No wonder they revamped the models...
A couple of Spanish reviewers I read, who currently own C-600 Sports, said that if the Sport series had originally been the C-650 Sport, it really would have given the Tmax a run for it's money, as opposed to being a relative flash in the pan that waned after the initial journalist-fueled excitement wore off. If it's THAT good, Yamaha will inevitably up it's game again with another complete redesign/upgrade. Let the Maxi Wars Commence!
A couple of Spanish reviewers I read, who currently own C-600 Sports, said that if the Sport series had originally been the C-650 Sport, it really would have given the Tmax a run for it's money, as opposed to being a relative flash in the pan that waned after the initial journalist-fueled excitement wore off. If it's THAT good, Yamaha will inevitably up it's game again with another complete redesign/upgrade. Let the Maxi Wars Commence!
grey.hound
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If it were up to me, they would have two different scooters and go after suzuki. I say keep the GT as is, but then create something that would be much more appealing than the Burgman 400. Well, here in the states anyway. Not sure about other parts of the world. I don't think BMW is going to knock the TMAX. If the C600 had the 2nd Gen body with a twin 400cc engine called a...C400 sport and weighed about 425-450 lbs, they'd have a lot of people looking; those that are looking at a BV350, the Burgman 400 and maybe some TMAX'ers. There is a large gap in bikes around 350-500 cc's here in the states (BMW recognizes that with the new 310cc MC) Most scooters are 200cc and below, except the $6500 vespa/piaggios and then it's $10k for the BMW's, Burgman 650 and TMAX. Only the Burgman 400 in the middle.
SteveADV
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That is a spectacular idea! And with BMW coming out with a new 313cc MC, it just might be in the works.
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grey.hound
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Forgot about the Majesty. It hasn't been updated though, I don't believe.
I think BMW is in the works for a 300cc scooter, saw some prelim stuff somewhere. Might be another kymco joint effort. I think it may look like the kymco 300GTi, which is a traditional style scooter but with 16" wheels. Quite the scooter. Imagine getting the BMW treatment. "All the stuff nobody wants". I for one am willing to pay extra for the things BMW puts on the scooters.
I think BMW is in the works for a 300cc scooter, saw some prelim stuff somewhere. Might be another kymco joint effort. I think it may look like the kymco 300GTi, which is a traditional style scooter but with 16" wheels. Quite the scooter. Imagine getting the BMW treatment. "All the stuff nobody wants". I for one am willing to pay extra for the things BMW puts on the scooters.
grey.hound
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Here you go, the BMW small/mid sized scooter
http://blog.motorcycle.com/2015/07/...reveals-plans-for-small-displacement-scooter/
http://blog.motorcycle.com/2015/07/...reveals-plans-for-small-displacement-scooter/
I think 350cc's +-, is a good size, at least it was when I had a Bridgestone 350 and Yamaha RD350. Both those bikes were legendary for their size, but,of course they were two strokes. I see the problem as weight. The body work we like, for it's added comfort, needs some heavy sub frames, adding weight to the total and slowing us down. What ever size gets built, it needs to be light for the smaller four stroke engines to work.
I have a pipe dream of building titanium subframes for my notcher to increase performance. Of course I don't have time or the money.
Maybe some aftermarket company will realize a market could be developed for "scooter" weight saving items.
I have a pipe dream of building titanium subframes for my notcher to increase performance. Of course I don't have time or the money.
Maybe some aftermarket company will realize a market could be developed for "scooter" weight saving items.
JaimeC
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The 300cc Kawasaki scooter is just a re-badged Kymco.
Skutorr
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They quit making "our" Majesty 400 for the rest of the world in 2010, and came out with an updated one, with revised body & clutch, basically. It ran from 2010 to 2013, when it was completely replaced with the X-Max 400, much sportier without the kick-back cruising style of the old one.
Here in North America, they kept selling the NOS Majesty every year until 2014, just changing the color. Last year it was just 2014's being sold at at steep discount...
The MOST competitive market in Europe now is the single-cyclinder 400cc class, what with the Yamaha XMax400, SYM MaxSym400, KYMCO Xciting400, and the 350cc Piaggio X-10 all fighting for sales. That's one reason they have kept the Tmax torque/horsepower where it is, as you only need an "A2" license for it, the same as the 400cc bikes. It gives them reach across two size categories. That's also why the C-series are being sold with an available "A2" modification, to limit the power to conform to the A2 standard. Right. Same power as a Tmax with all that extra weight? Good luck!
Honda for years has offered a two-cylinder 400cc version of the Silverwing in Europe, to address the licencing issue. Never took off...
Sparkrn
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They need to break away from kymco, them making my GT's engine bothers me.. Had I known early on I would never bought the scoot.
Skutorr
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Kymco isn't building them in Taiwan, like they do their own engines, but is overseeing the production in a new Loncin factory in mainland China. BMW is shifting much of their engine production across the board to China, in the name of cost savings. In fact, most everything on the C-series, except for the Italian front struts, is built in Asia and shipped to Germany for assembly, making it "built in Germany".
I have no issue with what Kymco produces themselves, it's very high quality and bulletproof.
I have no issue with what Kymco produces themselves, it's very high quality and bulletproof.
SteveADV
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Yeah, I always thought Of Kymco as one of the good ones. Certainly if you are looking for a manufacturing partner with a lot of scooter experience, Kymco would be on the short list.
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I thought it was OK to buy a Sport because it wasn't made in Germany.