Bmw r1200rs

Edumakated

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So the 2015 r1200rs is really calling my name. Sporty, but not a crotch rocket. I like the touring bits. Also like that it has semi-auto up & down shifting (except from a stop). Also still looking at the Multistrada. The Nine T and Scrambler are also calling my name for different reasons.
 

JaimeC

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I just wish they didn't "cheap out" by giving it a conventional fork instead of either a Telelever or Duolever front end...
 

Edumakated

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I just wish they didn't "cheap out" by giving it a conventional fork instead of either a Telelever or Duolever front end...

Really surprised there hasn't been any development of more advanced front forks on motorcycles. Seems like an antiquated design.
 

JaimeC

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The problem is sales. I truly believe motorcyclists are "Luddites" at heart. Yamaha's brilliant GTS1000 languished on the showroom floors because Parker's RADD front end was too "different looking." The advantage of the telelever/duolever used by BMW is that it at least LOOKS "normal" to the eye.

Bimota/Vyrus' swingarm front-end is way too complicated, and the bikes that use it are out of the price range of 95% of today's motorcyclists anyway.

BMW is really the only manufacturer to be modestly successful with alternative front-ends. That's why I'm so disappointed in the R1200RS. I expected it in the scooters, since they're built to be cost competitive with their rivals. The high-end models should NOT have telescopic forks, though.
 

Snowdog

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Why do race bikes have struts for suspension? It works!! There have been many variations of motorcycle suspensions in history, few survive.
 

JaimeC

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Why? Because racers are VERY conservative. They want to WIN. They'd rather race with what they KNOW than try something new. That's the main reason BMW's S1000RR has conventional forks too. There are engineers, tuners and racers all over the grid that know just about everything there is to know about tuning telescopic forks. Racers know EXACTLY how they feel under just about every circumstance.

That's the only thing holding back development. Moto2 was SUPPOSED to encourage chassis and suspension engineers to "go wild" because the engine and the state of tune would be IDENTICAL in every bike on the grid. The only difference between bikes would be the riders and the chassis they were on. So what happened? Basically, everybody is racing a variation of the Honda CBR600RR. Bimota designed a Moto2 bike with their Tesi front end. No one wanted to race it because it was too exotic and unknown.

Damned shame. I do know I've gotten spoiled by my K1200LT's telelever front end. Full suspension compliance even when I'm full hard on the brakes. No nose-diving or bucking around transitioning from brake to throttle either. I can feel the C650GT diving every time I use the brakes hard. Forks have gotten better since my old K100 and R100RT, but they still aren't as good as the telelever.

Maintenance wise, it's better too. Instead of repacking, adjusting or replacing the bearings every 20K miles, you only have to clean, and regrease the ball joints on the telelever every 60K-70K miles. The front shock is generally replaced (or rebuilt if you replaced the stock shock with a rebuildable one) every 24,000 miles, same as the rear shock. The first time the stock Showas wore out, I replaced them with Ohlins shocks. The rear Ohlins was only a little more expensive than the Showa, the front one was more than twice the cost. BUT now every 24,000 miles it only costs a couple of hundred bucks to get them rebuilt, as opposed to spending over $2,000.00 replacing them.
 

Snowdog

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Why? Because racers are VERY conservative. They want to WIN. They'd rather race with what they KNOW than try something new..

I think there are a lot of racers that would disagree with you. If it is so much better, winning racers would be using it, and winning racers with it. But, it's all moot as struts are already in development that will do more then your telelevers. They will not dive and will be programmable for every bump on a race course(my opinion). I worked for a company a couple winters ago that was building the proto-types for a large European manufacturer. You can guess which company.
 

JaimeC

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Moto2 is all I need to point to the fact that professional racers are far more comfortable competing with what they KNOW than trying new things. That's what TEST RIDERS are for.
 

Edumakated

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Moto2 is all I need to point to the fact that professional racers are far more comfortable competing with what they KNOW than trying new things. That's what TEST RIDERS are for.

yes, racers (across all kinds of disciplines) are far more inclined to just stick with the devil they know versus trying something new. However, sanctioning bodies also often times hamper development of new technologies with rigid rules. It is rare that you see something developed for the public first that then winds up on the race track. It is usually race track first, then for public. What wins on Sunday, sells on Monday.
 

Edumakated

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I keep saying I want a new bike but then I go out and ride my c600 and realize how great this machine is as an all around motorcycle/scooter. Between the heat seat/grips, power, storage, and comfort, it is really hard to beat this bike. We for a ride last night into town to pick up some cupcakes at our favorite bakery. It was about 50 degrees outside. The heated grips/seat kept me toasty. I was comfortable being able to move around. I smoke cars off the line. And then threw the cupcakes under my seat on the way home.

All the other bikes I'm looking at would be a step backwards in some area other than power. They'd have more power, but the practicality falls way off and I start second guessing if I need anything else other than the c600. A new bike would be just for kicks.
 

exavid

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Personally I prefer systems that work well and have known service life. I have no desire to be on the cutting edge since I just want to ride my bikes and not get any nasty surprises from their parts and pieces. There have been lots of different designs in forks but so far the telescoping system is the most used. They are reliable, light weight, known performance, and easily rebuilt. I rebuilt the forks on my old 1500 Goldwing after 100k miles. I replaced the seals and bushings which really could have gone on another 50k or so. That's the kind of performance I want in my bikes. I'm not racing them so don't need the lastest and greatest engineering ideas.
 

SteveADV

Active member
...... A new bike would be just for kicks.

Nothing wrong with that. But if you do what I did, bought a second bike for comparison with the idea that you'd get back down to one....You may just end up with two bikes.

These maxi's are tough to beat for overall utility.
 
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