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Hyperpro Shocks

Arrived. I may get them on this week.
1) I await your installation (with pics) and ride report.

2) I am also interested in the ease or difficulty in adjusting the preload, to specific points, as that's something I change with the stockers between solo and two-up riding (setting 3 to 5, and back, with the stockers).

On a related note, I used to feel the stock shocks (and forks) were nothing to write home about. That was until I got the Meteor 350, the suspension of which might charitably be described as "lacking." Don't get me wrong, the Royal Enfield still brings a smile to my face each ride, but it makes the C 400 GT suspension look much better.
 
1) I await your installation (with pics) and ride report.

2) I am also interested in the ease or difficulty in adjusting the preload, to specific points, as that's something I change with the stockers between solo and two-up riding (setting 3 to 5, and back, with the stockers).

On a related note, I used to feel the stock shocks (and forks) were nothing to write home about. That was until I got the Meteor 350, the suspension of which might charitably be described as "lacking." Don't get me wrong, the Royal Enfield still brings a smile to my face each ride, but it makes the C 400 GT suspension look much better.
I've had Hyperpro on the last five bikes I've owned, except the Xmax as it would have been an expensive custom build. I am 100% confident the ride will be improved as it is built to my riding style and sprung for my weight. Plus it has high an low speed compression damping. I am with you on the stock shocks, nothing to write home about but not terrible. I've always had remote preload on the past Hyperpro builds so I'll be interested also as this on obviously does not have remote adjustability.
 
I've had Hyperpro on the last five bikes I've owned, except the Xmax as it would have been an expensive custom build. I am 100% confident the ride will be improved as it is built to my riding style and sprung for my weight. Plus it has high an low speed compression damping. I am with you on the stock shocks, nothing to write home about but not terrible. I've always had remote preload on the past Hyperpro builds so I'll be interested also as this on obviously does not have remote adjustability.
Do you mind sharing where you purchase these and what the price is? Maybe a link?
 
I purchased these shocks, and all of my other Hyperpro suspension products, from EPM Performance. I’m not in the habit of recommending products or shops, except for EPM and Skene. The staff ant EPM are incredibly helpful and knowledgeable. I’ve never anything other than a great experience with them and it seems most others feel similarly. I paid $833 after a veterans discount they offer was applied. The link to the site is https://epmperformance.com/. The Hyperpro product is 360T.

Complete aside….Those Skene photon blasters are insanely effective by the way. I won’t ride without them.
 
I purchased these shocks, and all of my other Hyperpro suspension products, from EPM Performance. I’m not in the habit of recommending products or shops, except for EPM and Skene. The staff ant EPM are incredibly helpful and knowledgeable. I’ve never anything other than a great experience with them and it seems most others feel similarly. I paid $833 after a veterans discount they offer was applied. The link to the site is https://epmperformance.com/. The Hyperpro product is 360T.

Complete aside….Those Skene photon blasters are insanely effective by the way. I won’t ride without them.
I was looking at the site ...


... just now, and there's an oddity there. On that page, the base price for the two options are $899 and $964. If you click on the first link -- the shocks you got (and I would've ponied up the $10 for the black ones, like you did) -- there's no quirk. However, if you click on the second one ...


... the page loads, but quickly and automatically changes from $964 to $1299 (and if it doesn't do that right away, try refreshing the page and see what happens). Very odd, as if the first page, listing both models, is outdated or something.

Also, did you notice that the model years listed for the C 400 GT/X are 2018-2021. I don't think anything's changed in the last two years with respect to the suspension, so they ought to update that.

Last, I hope your better shocks don't make the forks seem that much worse. I'm not all that thrilled with the front suspension when hitting "square-edged" bumps (as I think they're called). Great handling bike in sweepers (and, in Europe, hairpins), but jolting over some bumps is another matter.

Looking forward to your updates. And feel free to ride up the east coast in the summer.

EDIT UPDATE:

I emailed EPM, asking about this, and received a response a few minutes later, to wit:

Hey Bill,

Thanks for pointing out the issue! It looks like there were a few errors with the 367 listings for the C400GT/X and it’s been fixed.

As far as years go, I only have confirmation for 2018-2021 officially from Hyperpro but you may be correct in your assumption that the shocks for the C400 have not changed to date.

Thank you,

Bryan Font
EPM Performance Imports
Phone: 732-786-9777
 
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I was looking at the site ...


... just now, and there's an oddity there. On that page, the base price for the two options are $899 and $964. If you click on the first link -- the shocks you got (and I would've ponied up the $10 for the black ones, like you did) -- there's no quirk. However, if you click on the second one ...


... the page loads, but quickly and automatically changes from $964 to $1299 (and if it doesn't do that right away, try refreshing the page and see what happens). Very odd, as if the first page, listing both models, is outdated or something.

Also, did you notice that the model years listed for the C 400 GT/X are 2018-2021. I don't think anything's changed in the last two years with respect to the suspension, so they ought to update that.

Last, I hope your better shocks don't make the forks seem that much worse. I'm not all that thrilled with the front suspension when hitting "square-edged" bumps (as I think they're called). Great handling bike in sweepers (and, in Europe, hairpins), but jolting over some bumps is another matter.

Looking forward to your updates. And feel free to ride up the east coast in the summer.

EDIT UPDATE:

I emailed EPM, asking about this, and received a response a few minutes later, to wit:

Hey Bill,

Thanks for pointing out the issue! It looks like there were a few errors with the 367 listings for the C400GT/X and it’s been fixed.

As far as years go, I only have confirmation for 2018-2021 officially from Hyperpro but you may be correct in your assumption that the shocks for the C400 have not changed to date.

Thank you,

Bryan Font
EPM Performance Imports
Phone: 732-786-9777
Any website glitches aside, I think their quick response goes to my characterization of the company as being reliable and responsive.

In my opinion, replacing either the front or the rear stock suspension, on any motorcycle, leaves the remaining stock suspension begging for an upgrade. The front is definitely overdamped and possibly (likely) under sprung. I am sending them off to be rebuilt with springs for my riding style and weight as well as cartridge emulators. It is an easy DIY job, but it makes sense for me to send them off for some technical reasons the company and I discussed. The front needs more attention than the rear. I've never rebuilt only one end of a suspension.
 
Any website glitches aside, I think their quick response goes to my characterization of the company as being reliable and responsive.

In my opinion, replacing either the front or the rear stock suspension, on any motorcycle, leaves the remaining stock suspension begging for an upgrade. The front is definitely overdamped and possibly (likely) under sprung. I am sending them off to be rebuilt with springs for my riding style and weight as well as cartridge emulators. It is an easy DIY job, but it makes sense for me to send them off for some technical reasons the company and I discussed. The front needs more attention than the rear. I've never rebuilt only one end of a suspension.
Hey, Mike, you ever look into Ohlins?

I emailed Ohlins USA about a year ago, asking about shocks for the C 400. Nothing was shown on either the USA or the Sweden site for a C 400, and the guy in the US confirmed that. So there's that.

However, the other day I came across this (I was looking at shocks again, after your post):


That's an Italian outfit selling the Ohlins, specifically stating it's for the C 400 GT. I don't know whether the picture in that US eBay ad is generic, or what a buyer would actually get; there's a note farther down the page: "NOTE: the image is purely indicative and may not fully reflect the product!!!"

It also says this, near the bottom:

The product tailored for you!

Our suspensions are prepared, adjusted and calibrated directly by the Andreani Group technical staff following the parameters and specifications that reflect your driving needs.

LEAVE YOUR WEIGHT AND SPECIFY THE USE OF THE ROAD / TRACK MOTORCYCLE AT THE TIME OF PURCHASE



After the holidays, I plan on sending that link to the guy at the USA Ohlins site, and asking for his comments. I may also contact the (highly rated) Italian outfit, and ask whether they have sold any for actual C 400 bikes.
 
Hey, Mike, you ever look into Ohlins?

I emailed Ohlins USA about a year ago, asking about shocks for the C 400. Nothing was shown on either the USA or the Sweden site for a C 400, and the guy in the US confirmed that. So there's that.

However, the other day I came across this (I was looking at shocks again, after your post):


That's an Italian outfit selling the Ohlins, specifically stating it's for the C 400 GT. I don't know whether the picture in that US eBay ad is generic, or what a buyer would actually get; there's a note farther down the page: "NOTE: the image is purely indicative and may not fully reflect the product!!!"

It also says this, near the bottom:

The product tailored for you!

Our suspensions are prepared, adjusted and calibrated directly by the Andreani Group technical staff following the parameters and specifications that reflect your driving needs.

LEAVE YOUR WEIGHT AND SPECIFY THE USE OF THE ROAD / TRACK MOTORCYCLE AT THE TIME OF PURCHASE



After the holidays, I plan on sending that link to the guy at the USA Ohlins site, and asking for his comments. I may also contact the (highly rated) Italian outfit, and ask whether they have sold any for actual C 400 bikes.
I have looked at Ohlins and considered it as an option. The issue I had with their shocks for this bike was that those who installed them (posts from internet forums) weren't able to do so without trimming plastics. For me personally, that is a deal killer. The other issue I had is that they are racing-centric shocks. I am not sure that is the direction I want to take the suspension. That said, there is no question that Ohlins is an apex product. If you are looking at the Andreani Group to chat with/purchase from, they have a very good reputation. If I recall correctly, they are pretty involved in providing suspension for professional/competitive riders. I don't know what that means for us as recreational riders, other than they probably really know their stuff.

The plastic trimming I mentioned was on one of the other forums if you are interested. I think advrider.com is where I read a few reviews about the installs documenting the plastic trimming required and I think they had some photos that showed what was involved. Not a big lift to get it done, i just don't want to trim plastics.
 
I have looked at Ohlins and considered it as an option. The issue I had with their shocks for this bike was that those who installed them (posts from internet forums) weren't able to do so without trimming plastics. For me personally, that is a deal killer. The other issue I had is that they are racing-centric shocks. I am not sure that is the direction I want to take the suspension. That said, there is no question that Ohlins is an apex product. If you are looking at the Andreani Group to chat with/purchase from, they have a very good reputation. If I recall correctly, they are pretty involved in providing suspension for professional/competitive riders. I don't know what that means for us as recreational riders, other than they probably really know their stuff.

The plastic trimming I mentioned was on one of the other forums if you are interested. I think advrider.com is where I read a few reviews about the installs documenting the plastic trimming required and I think they had some photos that showed what was involved. Not a big lift to get it done, i just don't want to trim plastics.
Thanks very much for the info.

I will do some advrider searching when I have some time -- assorted groups of company coming for the next week+, starting tomorrow -- but trimming bodywork would make that a no-go for me, too. I don't mind drilling through the bodywork for USB and Powerlet ports, obviously, but trimming for anything -- especially for replaceable shocks, which may come and go -- is a show-stopper.

Edit: Oh, yeah, forgot to mention. Nice term -- "apex" -- and so I was surprised that they seem less expensive (if only slightly) than the Hyperpro. Go figure.
 
I have had a pseudo-ohlins from same Andreani group for my Tmax 530. It looked great and was an improvement over bad stock shock, but i would not say it has solved all that i hoped it would. It was priced at Ohlins level but delivered halfway to my ideal expectations. So, overpriced by 2x then, is my verdict. Came with a paper printed on a color printer, in case of support i was to email some Mr.Baldinini at andreanigroup.it.
When i had a question, i emailed. No response. Translated to italian, email again. No response. Tmax was written off in March and i got C650 sport instead.
There was no shocks listed on the official Ohlins site for my Tmax…only this ebay listing i picked.

@wspollack i am really interested in what the real Ohlins says about that Andreani C400x
listing .
 
I have had a pseudo-ohlins from same Andreani group for my Tmax 530. It looked great and was an improvement over bad stock shock, but i would not say it has solved all that i hoped it would. It was priced at Ohlins level but delivered halfway to my ideal expectations. So, overpriced by 2x then, is my verdict. Came with a paper printed on a color printer, in case of support i was to email some Mr.Baldinini at andreanigroup.it.
When i had a question, i emailed. No response. Translated to italian, email again. No response. Tmax was written off in March and i got C650 sport instead.
There was no shocks listed on the official Ohlins site for my Tmax…only this ebay listing i picked.

@wspollack i am really interested in what the real Ohlins says about that Andreani C400x
listing .
That is too bad about the experience you had with the Andreani Group and their products. I’ll install the shocks this weekend and report back. I should be able to dial them in quickly as the provide a + - of five clicks recommended setting based on the build.
 
I have watched this with interest as I bought and fitted the YSS rear shockers from WEMOTO UK to my "21plate" C400X. I had to wait about 4 weeks or so as they were made to order from Thailand They were £520 incl post and packing . There was a noticeable improvement in handling and I can now lean and ride with more confidence. I have stuck with the original Pirelli Angels as for me they do what I want them to do. I have only taken a pillion once and forgot to adjust the shocks to suit but as it was only a shirt journey I wasn't too bothered. But they really did need to be adjusted. As is well known, improving the rear suspension highlights the shortcomings of the front! I will address that in the near future. Fitting them is pretty straightforward but you do have to dismantle a bit to get to the top fittings. Hope this helps someone out there.
 
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I have not been able to install the shocks yet. Hoped to get it done this weekend but now we have unexpected, but welcome, company.
 
I have watched this with interest as I bought and fitted the YSS rear shockers from WEMOTO UK to my "21plate" C400X. I had to wait about 4 weeks or so as they were made to order from Thailand They were £520 incl post and packing . There was a noticeable improvement in handling and I can now lean and ride with more confidence. I have stuck with the original Pirelli Angels as for me they do what I want them to do. I have only taken a pillion once and forgot to adjust the shocks to suit but as it was only a shirt journey I wasn't too bothered. But they really did need to be adjusted. As is well known, improving the rear suspension highlights the shortcomings of the front! I will address that in the near future. Fitting them is pretty straightforward but you do have to dismantle a bit to get to the top fittings. Hope this helps someone out there.

I’m glad you’re liking the YSS.

I live in Vancouver, BC….there’s a 40km highway full of twisties to Squamish infamous with motorcycles.

I found myself feathering the brakes thru the turns with the stock BMW pogo sticks. After swapping over to the YSS, I was leaning into the turns with confidence because I knew the backend would not hop. The YSS definitely soak up the bumps. The rebound adjustment is also very helpful!

I have over 35K kms on my C400GT. Bought replacement tires at the end of my 2022 riding season…same Pirellis which came stock with the bike.

Ride safely!
 
”Pogo sticks” LOL!
They were probably deemed perfect by the Bavarisch engineering dept, for the ”bad” German roads but yeah… preload to 6 helped me bide the time until something better. When the oil is weak, use the spring Luke…
 
I have over 35K kms on my C400GT. Bought replacement tires at the end of my 2022 riding season…same Pirellis which came stock with the bike.

Ride safely!
Have you tried other brands/models of tires between these and the stock Pirellis? If so, did the performance of the other brands influence your decision to install the Pirellis this go around?
 
Have you tried other brands/models of tires between these and the stock Pirellis? If so, did the performance of the other brands influence your decision to install the Pirellis this go around?
I kept with the same brand because they were the easiest to get. I was hoping to try the Michelins City Grip 2’s but they did not have my size.

I was able to get 25k plus kilometres on the first set. I read on the forums the Michelins weren’t the best for longevity.

I’ll pre-order the Michelins the next time I need tires.
 
I kept with the same brand because they were the easiest to get. I was hoping to try the Michelins City Grip 2’s but they did not have my size.

I was able to get 25k plus kilometres on the first set. I read on the forums the Michelins weren’t the best for longevity.

I’ll pre-order the Michelins the next time I need tires.
I honestly have never heard of any MC tire lasting that long. That is awesome! I've never had Michelin scooter tires but have them on one of my full frame motorcycles now. Pretty impressive but I am sure the compunds are different across their product lines, so not apples to apples.
 
I honestly have never heard of any MC tire lasting that long. That is awesome! I've never had Michelin scooter tires but have them on one of my full frame motorcycles now. Pretty impressive but I am sure the compunds are different across their product lines, so not apples to apples.
Me, either, regarding that longevity figure.

On the '22 C 400 GT (RIP), I had new tires installed in March 2023, when I had about 4,400 miles on the bike. That was part of getting the annual service done on a bike before the start of or very early in a riding season, so my season doesn't get interrupted (which certainly didn't work out last year: two months later, the engine problem arose).

This is something I've done for years, and I'll grant everyone the fact that I was not due for new tires, they were not worn out, etc. It's possible that I was vastly premature in having the tires changed. I just measured the max depth in the front of the new '23 (with only 400-something miles on), and the siping is not very deep to begin with: c. 4/32", which is what my notes read when I had them replaced. Perhaps these tires do wear very slowly.

There may also be a significant difference in how aggressively some of us ride, or maybe I weigh a lot more than @byee, or the backroads I travel on are much coarser, or something else. BTW, I keep the tires set, cold, at around 33 PSI front, 36 PSI rear.

I'll be keeping a better eye on the wear amount of the new bike's tires, that's for sure.
 
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