Wanna USE your parking brake WHILE RUNNING?

[JaimeC]

OR... you could just alternate hands on the brakes.

 

[Catbird]

I was jsut wondering, in order to keep the safety, and had the parking brake you want (for hills); then add another cable to the parking brake line and put on a locking lever in an inconspicous place on the scooter.
you get your hill brake and retain the safety. it would be a little pricey, but at least it wouldn't be unsafe.
the other option I was thinking was a hinged wedge with thumb flip. it would drop down into the opening on a brake lever and flip up woth the thumb to release.

just a thought

A manually set hill-holding brake that is automatically released when you roll on the throttle.

 

[Doraemon]

A manually set hill-holding brake that is automatically released when you roll on the throttle.

I could only think of a manual on/off. I am thinking of a system to make for automatic off; but I don't think it would be economically worth it.

I see a hinge unit on the under side of either handle that you squeeze the brake and push a small wedge in to hold it in brake mode; which also keeps the brake light on.
when going to take off, you would squeeze the brake enough for the wedge to swing down and allow normal operation, it would be the most economical and safe mode.

 

[AZ Tee Jay]

Just performed the side stand kill switch eliminator mod on my 600. I feel so "unsafe", also liberated!
Just think, I can chose to eat fattening food, drink alcohol and smoke cigarettes too!
Heck, I can even transport myself around on something as UNSAFE as a two wheeled vehicle with no metal cage and airbags!

It's been said that someone DIED from this mod. People have died chocking on a chicken bone. Should we not eat chicken!

Allowing an engine to warm up is not simply to get the old school (carburetor) to work properly, metal and oil both behave as engineered when at optimal operating temperature.

The brake feature prevents the smoth operation of the center stand so it requires that you lift the side stand to place the vehicle on the center stand with any degree of ease. In between the time that you are supporting the scooter with neither stand down the thing could fall on you AND KILL YOU.

Really? How about if we stop counting on government regulation to extend the life of the truly ignorant (or terribly unlucky).

As for myself... I will enjoy the convenience of taking a little risk.

 

[Skutorr]

Just performed the side stand kill switch eliminator mod on my 600. I feel so "unsafe", also liberated!

Really? How about if we stop counting on government regulation to extend the life of the truly ignorant (or terribly unlucky).

As for myself... I will enjoy the convenience of taking a little risk.

LOVE IT!! Must be that Wild West attitude...

 

[SteveADV]

If I am reading the post here is the engine won't shut off (this sounds good to me) and when the stand is down the brake is applied (that sounds good to me). With this set up the bike should not fall over and you would not be able to ride off because the brake is on. I think the brake is applied mechanically. With this setup you would not have to worry about leaving the stand down and killing yourself on a left turn.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Although, I can't see myself doing any modifications (especially those that might compromise a safety related configuration), this one sounds harmless...like Justscootin said, so long as the bike cannot take off with the stand down.

 

[Snowdog]

My Silverwing had a hand operated parking brake, but the engine also died with the kickstand down. I used the brake often at times when stopped, but, not getting off, such as toll booths, stop lights etc.. I prefer the hand brake.

 

[Snowdog]

A manually set hill-holding brake that is automatically released when you roll on the throttle.

Yeah, my Subaru had that! worked great.

 

[Snowdog]

Re: Warmup. The manual says to "...Ride away immediately after starting the engine." See page 51

Riding away actually warms the engine faster which cuts down on emissions that can decrease the life of your catalytic converter.

 

[exavid]

As long as the parking brake is well adjusted I can't see any downside in safety by bypassing the stand switch. Since the brake would be on you couldn't ride off with the side stand down so the pole vaulting trick when turning left with it down doesn't exist.

 

[Doraemon]

While living in Thailand I know of one incident where a person was killed my having the kickstand down while riding. Granted, he was killed due to the helmets they have there; a glorified plastic salad bowl. Of course here a death is much less likley, bypassing a safety, no mater how menial you think it is, is NEVER a good idea......

 

[exavid]

As already stated I can't see much danger in bypassing the starter interlock since the brake would prevent the scooter from moving off as long as it's operating properly. There have been fatalities in the US with the left turn accident caused by the kick stands, but I don't see any real danger with the brake linked to the kick stand.

 

[qualt]

I love it

I did the side stand (engine shut-off elimination) modification on my bike today and I love it.

I was beginning to wonder just how long my starter was going to last since I had to restart the bike every time I got off it to open (and close) gates, garage doors, etc. This may be a little bit of an exaggeration but my guess is that the starter will last 4 times longer now.

I also do not see how this mod will cause a safety problem since the bike will not move while the side stand is down (I tried it and it will not move) Therefore you can't ride away with the stand down anyway.

Moreover, I can now warm the engine up for a few seconds while I put on my helmet and gear. I don't care what anybody says, a few seconds of warm-up prior to riding is at least moderately beneficial and even if it doesn't help longevity much it certainly isn't going to cause any damage.

Therefore, since this mod is very simple to do, I would recommend it to anyone who is annoyed with the engine kill feature when the side stand is down.

OBTW, Thanks Skutorr for placing the original post & pictures

 

[Skutorr]

You're Welcome!

 

[Edumakated]

I did the side stand (engine shut-off elimination) modification on my bike today and I love it.

I was beginning to wonder just how long my starter was going to last since I had to restart the bike every time I got off it to open (and close) gates, garage doors, etc. This may be a little bit of an exaggeration but my guess is that the starter will last 4 times longer now.

I also do not see how this mod will cause a safety problem since the bike will not move while the side stand is down (I tried it and it will not move) Therefore you can't ride away with the stand down anyway.

Moreover, I can now warm the engine up for a few seconds while I put on my helmet and gear. I don't care what anybody says, a few seconds of warm-up prior to riding is at least moderately beneficial and even if it doesn't help longevity much it certainly isn't going to cause any damage.

Therefore, since this mod is very simple to do, I would recommend it to anyone who is annoyed with the engine kill feature when the side stand is down.

OBTW, Thanks Skutorr for placing the original post & pictures

I've always found the engine cutoff with side stand to be a PITA for the same reasons. I often park it on side stand and then I have to prop it up on center stand to warm up while I am putting on my gear. Very annoying. Fortunately, here in Chicago the highest hill we have is an ant mound, so I don't really have to deal with being in traffic on steep inclines.

 

[justscootin]

If you use this method of shorting out the cut off switch I have a visual on this as in the earlier pictures, how can you put the plug back in as the holes are now filled and will block the plug. Is the idea to leave the wire just hanging.

 

[qualt]

If you use this method of shorting out the cut off switch I have a visual on this as in the earlier pictures, how can you put the plug back in as the holes are now filled and will block the plug. Is the idea to leave the wire just hanging.

I thought someone might ask this question, and I almost tried to take a picture, but I didn't think it would show up very well. Therefore, since I obviously didn't do it, I will just try explain it instead.

I never attempted to insert the plug back onto the side stand connector (and after the mod I don't even think you could). Instead, I just taped off the loose end and then fastened the now loose wiring harness to the underside outer plastic molding.

There are obviously many ways to secure the loose wires, but I did it by drilling a small hole through the outer plastic molding and then using a plastic "tie wrap," inserted through the hole, to secure the wires to it. It is down low so you can't see it unless you bend down, and even then it looks like it could have been done by the factory.

All in all, it looks good and I am now pleased that the engine will continue to run while the side stand is down.

 

[justscootin]

Thanks this is what I thought and when I do it I will make sure it is all water tight (maybe some silicone).
What is the third pin for?

 

[qualt]

Thanks this is what I thought and when I do it I will make sure it is all water tight (maybe some silicone).
What is the third pin for?

I agree, silicone should work well.

I didn't want to use silicone (or any permanent sealer) until I was sure I wasn't ever going to put it back to stock, but I may do the silicone thing now. A little shrink tubing with silicone should make it quite water tight. However, since I almost never ride in the rain (or snow) being water tight probably isn't all that important where I live.

As for the third pin; I don't know, but maybe someone on the forum does.

 

[justscootin]

I finally did this, my warranty was up 10 months ago and it made sense to me. Sometimes you come to a stop light and just want to look under the seat or in the trunk and there is no need to stop the engine. If your parking brake is working you won't go forward until you put the side stand up

It's possible. Those of us who have had (or have...) other Maxis liked the convenience of a parking brake while stopped on hills at the light, etc. It frees up your hands for other tasks than keeping the brakes on. BMW's engineers apparently figured that enough people had bikes FALL OVER while on the side stand, due to not having the brake applied, that they made it automatic.

Good Idea! And it kills your engine...

On a brand new BMW Forum in Spain, a quick and easy mod was posted. It's inserting a bridge across the plug for the stand sensor...thinks it's always up and the engine won't die when you lower the side stand to USE the brake!

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