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CHIGEE AIO-5 Lite - Apple / Android CarPlay

Totally agree with you!

BMW dealerships can make $$$ on these upgrades. Cruise control would be nice to have.

I’m also finding they do not sell performance upgrades….Malossi, YSS, etc. More loss revenues.
 
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byee said:
Totally agree with you!

BMW dealerships can make $$$ on these upgrades. Cruise control would be nice to have.

I’m also finding they do not sell performance upgrades….Malossi, YSS, etc. More loss revenues.
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Yep, if we're talking exclusively about BMW parts -- sensors -- and BMW TFT programming with their factory-setting devices, I don't see why they wouldn't be interested in earning some shop fees. It MAY be a case in which the various shops don't know about this capability, just as some BMW dealerships don't seem to know that they have the capability of setting idle RPMs (you know what I'm talking about, that thread on adjusting the idle after software upgrades, right?). If so, this may be a case that someone just has to clue them in.

Regarding the Malossi type of upgrades, that's a different matter. Sure, they could get some money from shop work, but this would be a case in which they're going against the BMW engineers and factory products. So that would mess with the factory warranty, e.g., potentially affecting engine longevity and all sorts of other potential issues. So I could see why they wouldn't want to get into that realm of upgrades (perhaps unless a bike was past its warranty period).
 
I agree with Bill P. It should not be that difficulult for BMW to have added cruise control and TPMS. I never had either one until my last bike and while I did not use them a lot they were very nice features. Once you have had them you miss them. My challenger also had an electronic wihdshield. When I purchased it I thought it was a gimick. You set it and forget it. But I really loved that thing and used it all the time. When on the highway I always had it up all the way. But if it was hot riding in town I would lower it and let the air hit me in the face. None of these were deal breakers for me but would be really nice to have.
 
byee said:
I’ve wired the Chigee to my C400GT for a quick test.

I now have Apple CarPlay!!

Next steps….
- connect my SENA 50S HK to iPhone 15 Pro
- test Spotify for audio test
- pair iPhone to bike for conflicts with Connected app
- install TPMS
- install CGRC-CAN - BMW integration module
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Hi Im really interested in the Chigee for my C400GT but worried about the process of wiring It in. is it complicated and do you remember the steps.. how to get the canbus in etc.
 
gtodd72 said:
Hi Im really interested in the Chigee for my C400GT but worried about the process of wiring It in. is it complicated and do you remember the steps.. how to get the canbus in etc.
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There are 3 wires to connect into the C400GT - positive, negative and acc. The acc wire is the ignition trigger.
 
Here's a quick review of my CHIGEE AIO-5 Lite after using for a couple months in point form

BMW Connected
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- carry my iPhone 15 Pro in pocket but not connected to C400GT
- not mounted on bike due to possible camera damage from vibration
- using an $100 Motorola Android phone running BMW Connected App connected to wifi hotspot
- Sena 50S using mesh for communications with riders
- Sena only paired to BMW C400GT
- Spotify for music

Likes
******
- RTTI - BMW Real Time Traffic Information
- speed limit indicator
- navigation, music on TFT
- ability to use wonderwheel to adjust volume
- tracks ride and telemetry

Dislikes
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- typically takes me about 5+ minutes to get all the electronics communicating with each other
- SENA 50S - complicated to balance/adjust volume(s) on my Sena with intercom and music
- need to pair to my iPhone 15 Pro then un-pair to avoid conflict with C400GT
- unable to initiate / receive calls while riding
- unable to read / respond to text messages
- no voice commands
- searching for POI is limited to what ConnectedRide provides
- 25% of the time, my SENA50S refuses to connect to the bike
- eventually connects though (PITA)

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Chigee AIO-5 Lite
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Likes
*****
- easy installation
- device is IP67 certified
- TPMS integrated into unit - alerts pop-up in CarPlay
- integrates nicely with BMW Wonderwheel to control Chigee
- receive/initiate calls via voice commands
- receive/respond to text messages via voice commands
- navigation via voice commands
- touch screen works with standard gloves
- forward / rear facing cameras
- blind spot monitoring
- future enhancement - integration to ODB2 connector
- easy to balance/adjust MESH intercom and music volumes
- technical support has been outstanding!
- traffic (RTTI) in Apple and Google maps
- music on my SENA 50S Harmon Kardon is substantially better
- connects 100% of the time over the last 2 months
- locks onto GPS satellites immediately

Dislikes
********
- costs
- lost ConnectedRide Rides tracking
- renders the TFT useless (for now - BMW specific version released in July 2024)
- unable to configure TPMS with individual alarms
- Chigee interface not intuitive when downloading videos and pictures onto smart phone

Solution for overcoming dislikes
- still carrying my Motorola Android phone and wifi hostspot for Ride details
- provides me with speed limit indicators and the name & direction of street travelled on
- IMO minor inconvenience

Please reach out to me if you have specific questions.
 
wspollack said:
@byee :

Excellent reviews.

Regarding the TPMS, did you wind up being able to mount an external sensor up front somehow, or did you get internal sensors mounted, or what?
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External TPMS sensor with 1mm of clearance.

I bought a replacement stem which I will machine down by 0.5mm for a bit more clearance
 
byee said:
External TPMS sensor with 1mm of clearance.

I bought a replacement stem which I will machine down by 0.5mm for a bit more clearance
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Barry, back in post 12 here you asked me about the new brake-pad thickness, and I sort of estimated it as 7.8mm, doing a cob-job measurement of the pad without removing it. I happened to be looking at the owner's manual last night, and noticed this, way near the end:

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So it turns out that I was off, by quite a bit.

In any case, what I wanted to mention to you, just in case you haven't noticed this: the valve core goes right to the top of the outer threads (the part that a plastic cap goes on). That's as it should be, in my experience. But I recall that when I was examining the spare part that I bought to, uh, examine it, there did not seem to be a lot of room in there to "lower" the valve core.

That is, if you make the assembly shorter -- to allow more room, for the sensor clearance vis-a-vis the caliper -- you will need to cut off some of those outer threads (where the stock plastic cap goes on). Cutting some inside-the-spoke threads will not do anything to improve sensor-vs-caliper clearance. And so, if you lop off some of the outermost threads, you will need to first move (i.e., screw in) the valve core lower into the assembly (or you will cut off its plunger thingy, too). And -- to get to my point here -- I vaguely recall that there isn't a lot of free space in the assembly to be able to lower the valve core.

Follow me on this?

So I just wanted to give you a heads up about all of this: 1) the actual measurement change of the brake pads (according to the owner's manual), and; 2) those stupid in-the-spoke Schrader assemblies are truly a pain in the butt (well, the front one, anyway -- I continue to have and use my FOBO on the rear rim).

Good luck, and please keep us posted.
 
wspollack said:
Barry, back in post 12 here you asked me about the new brake-pad thickness, and I sort of estimated it as 7.8mm, doing a cob-job measurement of the pad without removing it. I happened to be looking at the owner's manual last night, and noticed this, way near the end:

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So it turns out that I was off, by quite a bit.

In any case, what I wanted to mention to you, just in case you haven't noticed this: the valve core goes right to the top of the outer threads (the part that a plastic cap goes on). That's as it should be, in my experience. But I recall that when I was examining the spare part that I bought to, uh, examine it, there did not seem to be a lot of room in there to "lower" the valve core.

That is, if you make the assembly shorter -- to allow more room, for the sensor clearance vis-a-vis the caliper -- you will need to cut off some of those outer threads (where the stock plastic cap goes on). Cutting some inside-the-spoke threads will not do anything to improve sensor-vs-caliper clearance. And so, if you lop off some of the outermost threads, you will need to first move (i.e., screw in) the valve core lower into the assembly (or you will cut off its plunger thingy, too). And -- to get to my point here -- I vaguely recall that there isn't a lot of free space in the assembly to be able to lower the valve core.

Follow me on this?

So I just wanted to give you a heads up about all of this: 1) the actual measurement change of the brake pads (according to the owner's manual), and; 2) those stupid in-the-spoke Schrader assemblies are truly a pain in the butt (well, the front one, anyway -- I continue to have and use my FOBO on the rear rim).

Good luck, and please keep us posted.
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Thank you for tte detailed information!

I was planning on machining about 0.5mm off the back side of the flange nut as well as maybe a couple of the threads off the value.

Before dining any that… I may just go visit a few tire stores to ask if they have something available with the same threading but shorter.
 
byee said:
Thank you for tte detailed information!

I was planning on machining about 0.5mm off the back side of the flange nut as well as maybe a couple of the threads off the value.

Before dining any that… I may just go visit a few tire stores to ask if they have something available with the same threading but shorter.
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Good luck with that, i.e., the tire stores. I fear this is a case of “BMW being BMW,” being weird and different, just because they can.

But I’ve been surprised, and wrong, before, so we’ll see.
 
The threading on the schrader valve stem is 10mm x 1.0 with an overall length of 21mm or 0.829"

I was able to find a brass stem from McMaster-Carr

www.mcmaster.com

McMaster-Carr

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Unfortunately, the overall length is 1" which will not for me.

The journey continues!
 
CHIGEE has announced their new AIO-5 Lite BMW edition which connects into the BMW ConnectedRide cradle.

The CHIGEE will also leverage the TFT as well.

abikething.com

Chigee AIO-5 PLAY for BMW (Smart Riding Display) | A Bike Thing

Release timeline (tentative): -Pre-order Date: Tentatively scheduled for July 2024 -Shipping Date:Expected in mid to late August 2024 Chigee products Come With a 2 Year Warranty When Bought Through A Bike Thing Tip: Configure Your Chigee Riding System Here
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wspollack said:
Good luck with that, i.e., the tire stores. I fear this is a case of “BMW being BMW,” being weird and different, just because they can.

But I’ve been surprised, and wrong, before, so we’ll see.
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Hey Bill,

CHIGEE has released a shorter stem for the BMW’s. Based on the photos….it looks to be about 2mm shorter.

www.chigee.com

Tire Valve Stem for TPMS

Install your CHIGEE TPMS securely with our valve stem, keeping it free from brake caliper interference.
www.chigee.com www.chigee.com
 
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byee said:
Hey Bill,

CHIGEE has released a shorter stem for the BMW’s. Based on the photos….it looks like it’s about 2mm shorter.

www.chigee.com

Tire Valve Stem for TPMS

Install your CHIGEE TPMS securely with our valve stem, keeping it free from brake caliper interference.
www.chigee.com www.chigee.com
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@byee :

1)That's pretty interesting news. Thanks for pointing it out to me!

2) There are currently only two reviews -- one from a C 400 GT owner!!! -- of the new product at https://www.chigee.com/collections/accessories/products/mfp0160-tire-valve-stem, both giving it one (of five) stars:

It didn't work on my BMW C400GT. It didn't fill the tire after installing it, so I had to go back to the original.
Brand: BMW
Model: C400 GT

With this shortened valve, the tire pressure sensor has a maximum of 0.5mm of air between the brake caliper and the sensor.
Under extreme driving conditions, the sensor will touch the brake caliper or even tear off. Not usable for me...
Brand: BMW
Model: S1000XR K49 2016

(I've used Google to translate that second review from German.)

So that's not very encouraging. I wonder what the exact problem was with the C 400 GT owner -- maybe some thread issue? a valve core issue, or what? -- and the S1000 owner does raise an area of concern to me, i.e., this setup involves some extremely fine tolerances here, with regard to spacing.

3) Coincidentally, just yesterday(!) I sent an email to the service manager of my local BMW dealership. I mentioned that I was planning on doing that in my long post https://www.bmw-scooters.com/threads/tpms-programming.3294/post-27798 and finally got around to it.

As part of a long message, "Winter Service Requests For C 400 GT," I wrote this:

So, my request to you is this:
==> Have in stock two 36 31 7 106 019 RDC SENSORS.
==> Have in stock two 36 31 7 106 018 TORX SCREW - M8X20.
==> If I am correct in my understanding of the situation that there are threaded areas in the outer part of the rims on the C 400 GT that accept those screws, have the RDC sensors mounted inside the rims, as part of the tire-replacement work.

I haven't heard back from him yet, and I'm curious if he will raise any objections, have any comments, etc.

4) Nevertheless, I just ordered "MFP0160 Tire Valve Stem for TPMS" from Chigee. Just one of them (and shipping almost doubled the cost).

This will go with the corresponding BMW 36 31 7 693 061 valve that I bought about two years ago, so I could examine it up close, without messing with the air in the bike's tires. Now I will have two of these assemblies, to compare and contrast. I'll put my calipers -- the measuring kind, not the braking kind -- on the products, and let you know the differences.

Thanks for keeping an eye on this. And I added my email for new-product notifications (but not to their FB group, as I don't have a FB account).
 
wspollack said:
@byee :

1)That's pretty interesting news. Thanks for pointing it out to me!

2) There are currently only two reviews -- one from a C 400 GT owner!!! -- of the new product at https://www.chigee.com/collections/accessories/products/mfp0160-tire-valve-stem, both giving it one (of five) stars:

It didn't work on my BMW C400GT. It didn't fill the tire after installing it, so I had to go back to the original.
Brand: BMW
Model: C400 GT

With this shortened valve, the tire pressure sensor has a maximum of 0.5mm of air between the brake caliper and the sensor.
Under extreme driving conditions, the sensor will touch the brake caliper or even tear off. Not usable for me...
Brand: BMW
Model: S1000XR K49 2016

(I've used Google to translate that second review from German.)

So that's not very encouraging. I wonder what the exact problem was with the C 400 GT owner -- maybe some thread issue? a valve core issue, or what? -- and the S1000 owner does raise an area of concern to me, i.e., this setup involves some extremely fine tolerances here, with regard to spacing.

3) Coincidentally, just yesterday(!) I sent an email to the service manager of my local BMW dealership. I mentioned that I was planning on doing that in my long post https://www.bmw-scooters.com/threads/tpms-programming.3294/post-27798 and finally got around to it.

As part of a long message, "Winter Service Requests For C 400 GT," I wrote this:

So, my request to you is this:
==> Have in stock two 36 31 7 106 019 RDC SENSORS.
==> Have in stock two 36 31 7 106 018 TORX SCREW - M8X20.
==> If I am correct in my understanding of the situation that there are threaded areas in the outer part of the rims on the C 400 GT that accept those screws, have the RDC sensors mounted inside the rims, as part of the tire-replacement work.

I haven't heard back from him yet, and I'm curious if he will raise any objections, have any comments, etc.

4) Nevertheless, I just ordered "MFP0160 Tire Valve Stem for TPMS" from Chigee. Just one of them (and shipping almost doubled the cost).

This will go with the corresponding BMW 36 31 7 693 061 valve that I bought about two years ago, so I could examine it up close, without messing with the air in the bike's tires. Now I will have two of these assemblies, to compare and contrast. I'll put my calipers -- the measuring kind, not the braking kind -- on the products, and let you know the differences.

Thanks for keeping an eye on this. And I added my email for new-product notifications (but not to their FB group, as I don't have a FB account).
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Bill,

I did have a conversation with Phad via WhatsApp. Based on his information, there is no connector on our C400's to plug in the RDC device to read the tire pressures from the wheels. It has to be 'McGivered' into the bike which I am not keen on doing although I've already done quite a few electrical mods to my C400GT.

If I am understanding you correctly, the inside of our C400GT wheels are threaded to accommodate the RDC wheel sensors? Is my interpretation correct?

I have not ordered the 'MFP0160 Tire Valve Stem for TPMS' stem yet as I am waiting for them to release the ODB2 reader. They AIO-5 Lite can read and display the bikes information from the ODB2. Definitely share your opinion of the stem with me upon receipt and testing. Your opinion is highly valued!

Thank you!
 
byee said:
Bill,

I did have a conversation with Phad via WhatsApp. Based on his information, there is no connector on our C400's to plug in the RDC device to read the tire pressures from the wheels. It has to be 'McGivered' into the bike which I am not keen on doing although I've already done quite a few electrical mods to my C400GT.

If I am understanding you correctly, the inside of our C400GT wheels are threaded to accommodate the RDC wheel sensors? Is my interpretation correct?

I have not ordered the 'MFP0160 Tire Valve Stem for TPMS' stem yet as I am waiting for them to release the ODB2 reader. They AIO-5 Lite can read and display the bikes information from the ODB2. Definitely share your opinion of the stem with me upon receipt and testing. Your opinion is highly valued!

Thank you!
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I think the "McGivered" part is not necessary for me. Check out that other post I wrote a little over a week ago: https://www.bmw-scooters.com/threads/tpms-programming.3294/post-27798

Phad revised his instructions to me after I provided my VIN to him. Perhaps the receiver/controller was necessary only on older C 400 GT models, he thought I had one of those, and once he verified my VIN he changed those instructions.

Now, he asserts -- if I understand his latest WhatsApp texts correctly -- all I need are the sensors, the screws to hold them in place on the rims, and some programming work from him.

Of course, this is an expensive test, if I'm wrong (or if he is). Since that post, I had one more chat with Phad, asking him about the TFT screen for TPMS, and he says that that is all part of what he will do. I think that he probably lifted the code from some other BMW bike, and adds that in, when he codes the sensors. Something like that.
 
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