If you want a C600Sport but can't find one...

Skutorr

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So, for 2015 the C600Sport is not being imported. But, you want a "sportier" ride than the C650Gt? What can you get, no one else has one.

Uh, now they do. It's BACK, after being in Canada since 2012 and also Mexico (new for 2015).

The 2015 Tmax. Oh, SNAP!

http://www.yamahamotorsports.com/sport/models/tmax

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...and just in time for Spring!
 

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TwoPort

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BMW's are often said to be "a lot" more expensive than competitors. The emerging maxi-sport scooter class seems to be more tight with pricing. This bike looks very cool indeed! The leaning pic says 1000 words about expected use and performance.
 

otbiker

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I work at a Yamaha dealership. We laughed about this when we got the email about the TMax. $10500 retail. I bought a brand new 2009 for $5900. It had sat in the showroom for 2 1/2 years...
 

Gnslngr

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I work at a Yamaha dealership. We laughed about this when we got the email about the TMax. $10500 retail. I bought a brand new 2009 for $5900. It had sat in the showroom for 2 1/2 years...

Can I ask where this dealership is located? Not the town or even the state, but is it in a major urban area, in the suburbs or in the boondocks? I live in the boondocks, and I see pricing like what you've gotten. I'm just wondering about the city or the suburbs, where presumably there'd be more demand.
 

Skutorr

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I work at a Yamaha dealership. We laughed about this when we got the email about the TMax. $10500 retail. I bought a brand new 2009 for $5900. It had sat in the showroom for 2 1/2 years...

I bought my 2009 from the dealer new in 2012 for $6,300. Same story. Maybe they are going to market it differently this time? They couldn't do worse than they did last time.:cool:
 

JaimeC

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Wonder if they upgraded the electrical system or if it still has the lame, underpowered alternator my 2009 model had. If I wore my electric jacket one day, it wouldn't start the next. Don't even THINK about electric grips; the accessory catalog said you could have EITHER the electric grips OR the accessory socket, but not BOTH. They knew what they were talking about.

I just looked at the link. So for essentially the same price as a BMW C650GT high line edition, you get NO ABS, NO heated grips, NO heated seat and only about half of the underseat storage capacity. I'm not seeing big sales numbers here, guys...
 
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Skutorr

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Yamaha isn't interested going after the C650GT/Suzuki Burgman 650 cruiser/commuter market. It's an extremely nimble "Automatic Super Sport" that weighs-in at just about 100 pounds less than the C650GT, with a lower CofG. The Tmax is what the C600Sport was designed to compete with, and the C650GT went after the Burgman 650.
 

grey.hound

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I think it's great. Under 500lbs and likely more nimble than the c600. No ABS is deal breaker for me. Still love my c600 but glad they brought it back.

Unlike just about every other two wheeled class, the big scooters have few choices. Now at least there are two sporty versions to choose from.
 

SteveADV

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?...Unlike just about every other two wheeled class, the big scooters have few choices. Now at least there are two sporty versions to choose from.

Yup, agreed. More competition is a good thing. Speaking of competition, there is an article in this month's Iron Butt magazine about a guy doing a saddle sore on a 250cc Chinese scooter (no link available). Not the same breed of scooters we are talking about here, but shows fun can be had on these things at all levels.
 

SteveADV

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Yamaha isn't interested going after the C650GT/Suzuki Burgman 650 cruiser/commuter market. It's an extremely nimble "Automatic Super Sport" that weighs-in at just about 100 pounds less than the C650GT, with a lower CofG. The Tmax is what the C600Sport was designed to compete with, and the C650GT went after the Burgman 650.


I guess I don't really understand why, if sport handling, quickness, speed, and lower weight is such a high priority a street motorcycle isn't purchased. Put a top case/panniers on it and you have storage always in place, if that is a consideration. What am I missing?
 
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Edumakated

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I guess I don't really understand why, if sport handling, quickness, speed, and lower weight is such a high priority a street motorcycle isn't purchased. Put a top case/panniers on it and you have storage always in place, if that is a consideration. What am I missing?

Some folks don't necessarily want a motorcycle, but still want something sporty. I was in that category which was why I chose the c600. I wanted some convenient storage, auto, heated seat/grips, but didn't necessarily want the more laid back cruiser style of the burger or the c650.

What I think is going to kill some of these scoots is improved semi-auto shifting that is becoming more widely available on a number of models. I'm putting a deposit down on a MV Agusta Turismo Veloce. It is supposed to be out late summer/fall according to my dealer. It is kind of like a smaller Ducati Multistrada at 800cc. Has all the bells and whistles I want, but beyond the drop dead gorgeous design, what is selling me on it is that it has clutchless up and down shifting even at low speed/partial throttle. The reviews I've seen on the system which is on their Stradale 800 have been very good. Only need the clutch at take off from a start. The 2015 GS1200 and the new tourers BMW has also has this feature. I don't think I would have bought my c600 had those bikes been available at the time.
 

JaimeC

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I guess I don't really understand why, if sport handling, quickness, speed, and lower weight is such a high priority a street motorcycle isn't purchased. Put a top case/panniers on it and you have storage always in place, if that is a consideration. What am I missing?

For those people, it's the Aprilia MANA. A scooter, to me, spells "Practicality." Take away any of that practicality, but charge the same price? No way. If I wanted acceleration and handling above all, I'd be looking at a MOTORCYCLE (and I have one of those too). The TMAX was "nice," but the Beemers are better. They require lower octane fuel (89 vs 91), get better mileage, and have more range because of that AND a higher fuel capacity. The Beemers also have the electrical system to handle heated grips, seat AND electric clothing, something I know from experience the TMAX can't get close to handling.

Having ridden both the C650GT and the TMAX almost back-to-back, saying the TMAX is "faster" or "better handling" is splitting hairs. The difference is not that great; it'd be like choosing between a high-end Lamborghini or a high-end Ferrari. In the hands of a decent rider, either scooter will leave many a squid gawking as the scooter's tail lights disappear around the bend in front of them.

Both BMWs also give the rider more options for leg positions, and provide more leg room than the TMAX. And, of course, there is the choice of a locking glove box (though for all I know Yamaha addressed that shortcoming in the new model).

But not EVERYTHING goes in the Beemer's favor. The TMAX does have much better rear-view mirrors. All the better to warn their owners when to move over because there is a 650 scooter breathing down their necks and anxious to get past...
 

SteveADV

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......The TMAX does have much better rear-view mirrors. All the better to warn their owners when to move over because there is a 650 scooter breathing down their necks and anxious to get past...

Ha, I'm with yah. (Not that either Jaime or I are in any way prejudiced toward red C650 GTs. )
 

SteveADV

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Re: the MV Agusta....yeah, those guys really know how to create a work of art. I hope the reliability is as good as the looks and for the asking price, my guess is that MV put some good stuff all over that machine.

Frankly, I would not own a Beemer UMV if we're not for a picture of a Tmax (with a tunnel bag) I saw that and liked it so much I tried a used one at the dealer from which I eventually purchased my C650GT. The TMax is one of a bunch of great maxi-scooter choices. However, for my size and bike preferences, the BMW was just the best fit for me. Whichever works for each individual, a maxi-scooter is a GREAT freedom machine.
 
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Skutorr

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The TMax is one of a bunch of great maxi-scooter choices. However, for my size and bike preferences, the BMW was just the best fit for me. Whichever works for each individual, a maxi-scooter is a GREAT freedom machine.

Too true! I'm 5'9" and my 2009 Tmax 500 fits as if it were tailored for me. My brother's 2012 Tmax 530 Has 11/2" more legroom, so I can stretch out my legs a bit more. My OTHER brother, who rides a Burgman 650? He's 6'1" and when on my bike looks like he is an amoeba, engulfing it. The BMWs would fit HIM like a glove...
 

Snowdog

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I guess I don't really understand why, if sport handling, quickness, speed, and lower weight is such a high priority a street motorcycle isn't purchased. Put a top case/panniers on it and you have storage always in place, if that is a consideration. What am I missing?

You are missing that everyone is different and has individual wants. You can't decide for them, what they want.
 
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